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  1. #1
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    Anyone know of or use a sensor to detect cigarette smoke?

    I have a Casino project I just finshed the control design on and in a meeting with the GC they came up with a "What If" scenario about cigarette smoke and want me to come up with some possible control stratedgies they can present to the Owner.
    My first thought is to install a beam detector like what is used in Fire Alarm applications hoping that there could be some sort of sensitivity adjustment and then use a contact closure into the EMS and go from there.
    From what I have seen available, and there isn't much, that may be the best bet.

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    I haven't heard of any but I would think that whomever comes up with one is going to make a TON of money.

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    All the casino jobs(a few) I have done use an IAQ sensor for this purpose.

    http://www.bapihvac.com/AQS_Room.htm

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    Cigarette smoke detector?

    My wife.

    She also detects the smell of beer and perfume.

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    Quote Originally Posted by asdf;ljk View Post
    Cigarette smoke detector?

    My wife.

    She also detects the smell of beer and perfume.
    ROFL!

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    I think the Purechoice "Nose" can sniff it. It can smell everything else, it seems. So, asdf... your wife's name is nose? LOL

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    Ammonia, arsenic, sniffers ? would have to be pretty sensitive though, where they going to put them in the johns, rooms where ? I can see the use in the rooms, I always stay in a nonsmoking room and smoke anyway, so I'm thinking they are on to me.

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    They are on to more than that, Preston... time for the tin foil!

    Heard about the uber geek that used a cell phone, a cat5 cable, a bowl and some tin foil to greatly increase the range at which he could pick up PC wireless networks? I tried it and it WORKS. looks goofy, but it works.

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    Lol,,,

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    You want an IAQ sensor - I used four of these and was quite impressed.

    Greystone Energy Systems Inc.

    Look at the AIR-300

    http://www.greystoneenergy.com/Engli...airandgas.html

    I haven't specifically used them for smoke but if you check their ratings they are rated for cigarette smoke. What impressed me was while I was commissioning a job some painting was started at one end of the building. I noticed my outside air dampers opening up and the IAQ reading to be quite high. I went looking and found a slight paint odor just in the painting area and those picked it up just fine.

    Also for your application I would recommend an energy recovery system. All the "dirty" air you will be exhausting out and the outside air coming in for make up - maybe a glycol pump system with coils on the incoming and exiting air.
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    Greystone Energy

    Crab Master,

    Thanks for the info. I'll probably give them a call on it. There are other detectors that are designed primarily for cigarette smoke but they are really designed for spaces like airplane bathrooms where an alarm needs to be instataneous and won't work for this particular application where there will be cigarette smoke all the time, just a question of how much will be acceptable.
    The units do have HR coils and are 100% OSA with VFD control of the fan which could increase the speed above setpoint based on the increased amount of smoke.
    At this point we are already monitoring the RA CO2 but the engineer has not decided if he wants to do any control with it.
    In another ten years it probably will be a mute point as more non-smoking ordinances get passed. We already can't smoke in the workplace and most public places and in the state I live in that will be all bars and resturants too after 5/1/07.
    Been that way across the pond for a while.

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    Smile smoke control detection

    also used greystone last month. smoke was eetected and we did the following one output controlled the fresh air dampers and the other control the speed drive on the exhaust fans. whalla no smoke in our casino. we addaed ozone to the supply air and and a fresh breeze in the casino. ask me how on hannes.vanrooyen@gmail.com cheers jc

    Greystone Energy Systems Inc.

    Look at the AIR-300

    http://www.greystoneenergy.com/Engli...airandgas.html

    I haven't specifically used them for smoke but if you check their ratings they are rated for cigarette smoke. What impressed me was while I was commissioning a job some painting was started at one end of the building. I noticed my outside air dampers opening up and the IAQ reading to be quite high. I went looking and found a slight paint odor just in the painting area and those picked it up just fine.

    Also for your application I would recommend an energy recovery system. All the "dirty" air you will be exhausting out and the outside air coming in for make up - maybe a glycol pump system with coils on the incoming and exiting air.[/QUOTE]

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