McCain can win
As a democrat I hate to say it but, if the best that the dems can do is Hillary or Obama or possibly both , then I will be voting for McCAin or just not voting at all. If the Dem leadership is so stupid to think that either a woman or a black man stands any chance of winning a national election then it is time to disassociate myself with such ignorant people and become an independent, an independent that will be right leaning if either one of these two get the nomination.My gut feeling is that Kerry will run again despite his latest statements saying he won't. He has set himself up well to reenter the race if the war contiues to escalate. or if it doesn't. He has a large bankroll left over from the last one and I believe he will spend this year letting these others fight it out in public so he can then reenter and get a lot free publicity and democratic support because by the end of this year the other candidates will have beat each other to death and he will be there to pick up the pieces and grab the nomination with a fresh start, there is no way this guy has quit they will be begging him to run against McCain in 08' Just ,my opinion.
This country's electorate is being hornswaggled into choosing sides.
The beneficiaries are the people in office and those who are elected, who go on, business as usual, without being held accountable for the legislation, executive orders and judgements they hand down.
That noted, I beleieve John McCain should have been nominated instead of GWB in 2000. He is certainly an extremely attractive candidate in 08'.
He's more humble, more articulate, (although that's not saying alot) more capable, and better at initiating bipartisanship than Bush is/was.
Our country could do a hell of a lot worse than John McCain.
I agree ,although I am a democrat, I have voted republican I voted for Reagan because of Carter's weak stand on Iran, and I voted for Bush 41 in 88, at that time I just felt he was the most qualified candidate possibly in our history, he had quite a resume and the guy he was running against had nothing to compare to him, so I won't have a problem voting for McCAin if it comes down to it, he is a republican but is really a moderate in my eyes.I believe he can win,,, if the dems keep thinking they have the 08 election locked up and that they can send just anyone up there and claim victory they are sadly mistaken, Although I am not saying I would not consider voting for Hillary or Obama, I am saying it is a losing cause and would show piss poor judgement on the party's part by backing them. It just isn't going to happen , we are still a way aways from a non white man sitting as president, especially during a war,
It is too early to get excited about anyone. Just sit back and watch the press look like idiots.
I would think for sure that McCain is the guy for the republicans, he's a respectable guy. And seems like the guy to get a big chunk of the moderate votes from both paties. It will be hard for the press to trash him, all they have on the guy is the Keating thing which is a dead horse and pales to what is acceptable these days. its a minor blemish, the dems have one weapon and thats Bill Clinton, he is there best and brightest, hell he is perhaps the smartest politician in our history at manipulatiing the public anyway no one has ever doene that any better. Bottom line is he can swing a lot of votes, if anyone can put Hillary in office he would be the guy. I just don't think it can be done though, yeah it might be fine for her in New Hampshire but Iowa will end her hopes I would think. besides it's Bush, Clinton, Bush Clinton again ? That would be 32 years of either a Bush or a Clinton on a winning presidebtial ticket.I would bet the vote goes to new blood, not another Bush or another Clinton.
Excuse me? Do you realize what you just said?
If the Dem leadership is so stupid to think that either a woman or a black man stands any chance of winning a national election then it is time to disassociate myself with such ignorant people
Hey, I'm a lifelong and card-carrying conservative libertarian sort. I have no love for Hillary or Obama. However, whether they are poor candidates or not has nothing to do with race or gender.
Obama has no experience and Hillary is a socialist. THOSE are reasons.
"Most people would sooner die than think; in fact, they do so." ― Bertrand Russell
Kinda reminds me of his service in VN.
Originally Posted by PrestonPierce
I agree. I think the country could easily elect a woman, but not one as far to the left and as polarizing as Hillary. A black would find a tougher time, but I think it could happen. Only a conservative black would stand a chance right now, a liberal black would never get the support of white suburbia. I think Condi would have a real shot at winning, she'd make an excellent VP candidate. Colin Powell would have been a formidable candidate. Several years back I supported Alan Keys for prez.
Originally Posted by scrogdog
Kerry won't run again, but Al Gore will and he may well get the nom.
Originally Posted by k_fridge
But Gore.. there is a chance...
How is that for cannon fodder for you conservilicans....
all of 'em expand the government like it's someone elses $$
I bet this country is ready to vote for whichever candidate's machinery grinds the others out of the way--black, female. I wouldn't hesitate for a vote for a qualified man as long as he doesn't have a history of
enshrining the government tit ....but that candidate is rather elusive, wouldn't you say?
I don't think I could vote for a woman to lead this country--hillary or condi, or whoever.
I'd have to flip a coin, b/c I think Giuliani will edge out McCain, and I'd really have to hold my nose for that one....
It's great to be alive and pumping oxygen!
Thaw your head out.
Originally Posted by oloenneker
The way I see it...
Hillary will NOT get the democratic nomination....but, she will be the vice-presidential candidate on whoevers ticket gets the nomination.
Then, somehow, during the 4 year term, the president will be 'disabled', and Hillary WILL BECOME the first woman president...
And then, I hope, Alabama will suceed ( ? ) from the union.....( & the south shall rise again )