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  1. #1
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    Stumbled upon this work of stupid.....



    If a day goes by and you have learned nothing, I hope you got a lot of sleep.

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    wow flex leading to black pipe.why why why

    Flex duct every where

    using the cleanout to connect other drains.

    Damn cheap labor damn it all to hackery

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    Bet that rooms gonna smell real nice with all those sewer gasses.... Hope those lines don't rupture and short those outlets out either!

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    The gas flexible appliance connector is illegal where it is. It may be used between the end of the steel pipe with an approved shutoff within 3 feet of the appliance valve. It can not be used as part of the gas "piping".

    Those water heaters don't appear to have wet switches in their pans, which is sad because that unit in the rear appears to be sitting in water and spillage onto the attic decking.

    Those condensate drains must empty into standpipes with an air gap and the standpipe must have a 'P' trap. DWV cannot vent inside the building with the exception of AAVs where and how approved.

    I doubt that running trap is doing didley.

    Do you have a shot of the rest of the B-vent?

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    i just think flex looks crappy. we are allowed to use it here.But hacksare getting carried a way with it

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    Quote Originally Posted by hearthman View Post
    The gas flexible appliance connector is illegal where it is. It may be used between the end of the steel pipe with an approved shutoff within 3 feet of the appliance valve. It can not be used as part of the gas "piping".
    The flexible connector just before the furnace is perfectly fine, exactly the way they are supposed to be used.
    The yellow gas pipe on the left, before the section of iron pipe, is CSST, also perfectly fine.
    The short piece of galvanized pipe may not be completely kosher though.
    If more government is the answer, then it's a really stupid question.

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    I came up with almost 24 hours worth of recommendations and I have not even done the maintenance.

    Something you cant see in the pictures, there is 3.5 pounds of natural gas pressure, there are absolutely no supports on the flue vents, which go at a 45 degree angle for over 20 feet, the units are not screwed down at all, just sitting on the sheet metal sleepers, the far water heater is leaking and there are no dielectric fittings, there is no ground in the outlets, nor are there any GFCI's, the flue caps on the roof are missing (probably blew off in the 50 MPH winds that frequent this area)....

    Probably get the PM in the next few weeks then we can really go to work critiquing this pile of poo.... But hey, it was cheap!

    Also too, the appliance flex is about the only legal part about this install...

    GT
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    thats not a clean out ..... the installer added that to the vent pipe

    notice the fernco .... but still not right

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    Correct me if I'm wrong, if the Cleanout is below a sewer line and the sewer line backs up wouldn't the pressure push the poop out of the vent?
    My name is TooCoolforschool and I am a chronic over charger.

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    Any comments on the venting theory?
    My name is TooCoolforschool and I am a chronic over charger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mark beiser View Post
    The flexible connector just before the furnace is perfectly fine, exactly the way they are supposed to be used.
    The yellow gas pipe on the left, before the section of iron pipe, is CSST, also perfectly fine.
    The short piece of galvanized pipe may not be completely kosher though.
    I agree that gas line and trap from shut off to unit is passed and accepted always in our area, i dont see an issue with it.. I dont mess with csst yet so im not sure about that..they looked like they tried to be neat ,as they started off level and with the gas line being secured, a nice pan, feet, gas trap, etc but the condensate trap isnt correct and the extra 24v wire is waste and ridiculous as well..

    its not the worst ive seen by far ! LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by GT Jets View Post
    I came up with almost 24 hours worth of recommendations and I have not even done the maintenance.

    Something you cant see in the pictures, there is 3.5 pounds of natural gas pressure, there are absolutely no supports on the flue vents, which go at a 45 degree angle for over 20 feet, the units are not screwed down at all, just sitting on the sheet metal sleepers, the far water heater is leaking and there are no dielectric fittings, there is no ground in the outlets, nor are there any GFCI's, the flue caps on the roof are missing (probably blew off in the 50 MPH winds that frequent this area)....

    Probably get the PM in the next few weeks then we can really go to work critiquing this pile of poo.... But hey, it was cheap!

    Also too, the appliance flex is about the only legal part about this install...

    GT

    24 hrs? I could replace everything in the attic in 18 with all new stuff, you must be slow or joking..or worse charge by the hour !! LOL

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    Before the crap got that high it would have flooded the house, but the concern of sewage fumes is High, especially with that rigged condensate trap, although creative. It seems like it would have been easier to drain condensate out side conventionaly instead of putting the fittings together like that. I am not a fan of csst or flexable lengths to furnace's, but I am sure I will come around to it as it becomes more common. Just used to steel and copper but, as price of copper and Labor go up every one will be doing it soon.

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