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    Niether party is supporting our troops!!

    How to Truly Support our Troops
    Monday, January 15, 2007
    By: Alex Epstein


    Whatever their views of President Bush's new "surge" of 20,000 soldiers, both liberals and conservatives continue to claim that they support our troops. Liberals say they support our troops by criticizing or opposing "Operation Iraqi Freedom," which they claim has unnecessarily killed 3,000 soldiers. Conservatives say they support our troops by supporting the mission that most of our troops believe in.

    In fact, neither liberals nor conservatives truly support the brave men and women who risk their lives to defend America. For both, "support our troops" is a cheap, undeserved claim to patriotism--one that obscures their unwillingness to do what is truly necessary to protect America and its soldiers.

    Granted, almost everyone wants to give our troops the resources they need to do their jobs: the best weapons, armor, provisions, and training available—as well as praise, gratitude, and encouragement. But for our government to truly support our troops, it must do far more than help them do their jobs; it must give them the right jobs to do--the jobs that will effectively defend America while minimizing the risk to their lives. Our government must place soldiers' lives at risk only when American freedom is threatened, and during war it must give them the objectives and tactics that will defeat the enemy as quickly as possible.

    The conservatives' Iraq war does not meet this standard. It could have--if the war had been undertaken as a step in defeating the anti-American, terrorist-sponsoring regimes of the Middle East and thus rendering the region non-threatening. Instead, President Bush made the war's primary focus the welfare of Iraqis--above all, their "freedom" to elect whatever regime they wished, no matter how anti-American. Further sacrificing Americans to Iraqis, Bush and his subordinates imposed crippling "rules of engagement" (also supported by liberals) that place the lives of civilians in enemy territory above our soldiers. Our hamstrung troops in Iraq have not been allowed to smash a militarily puny insurgency; instead, they have been forced to suffer an endless series of deaths by an undefeated enemy, while Islamic totalitarians worldwide rejoice in our defeat.

    One does not support our troops by sending them to fight wars of self-sacrifice and then thanking their corpses. The conservatives' call to "stay the course" in Iraq--or to add 20,000 troops to that course--is harmful to America and its troops because the mission has been conceived and conducted in defiance of American interests.

    If the conservatives do not support our troops, then do the liberals? Absolutely not.

    Observe that while liberals criticize the Iraq war for killing our troops, they propose no alternative policy that would protect America against Islamic totalitarianism and its state supporters, including the militant, terrorist theocracy of Iran. Liberals' only policy proposal is that we not take military action in Iraq or in any other country beyond Afghanistan. Why? Because they believe that America has no right to defy the "international community" or "impose its will on the rest of the world"--i.e., to aggressively pursue its self-defense. They, like the conservatives, advocate self-sacrifice in foreign policy. Denying our right to an all-out military defense, liberals say we must engage committed enemies like Iran with endless "diplomacy," i.e., bribery, appeasement, and inaction.

    One does not support our troops by keeping them home when their and our freedom requires military action. Our soldiers did not join the military to sit on their hands while Iran prepares for nuclear jihad.

    If liberals were truly concerned with our troops in Iraq and the freedom our soldiers should be fighting for, they would call for our soldiers to smash the insurgency and move on to defeat our other enemies. Instead, they call for a self-effacing retreat from Iraq, followed by further kowtowing to the anti-Americans at the United Nations--actions that would greatly embolden the Islamic totalitarians.

    Liberals oppose the Iraq war and other wars, not because they truly value our soldiers, but because they--like the conservatives--oppose our soldiers mounting an uncompromising, self-assertive defense of America. But such a defense is required to defeat the threat of Islamic totalitarianism. We must adopt a foreign policy of self-interest and commit to defend ourselves using our full, unmatched military might. Neither the conservatives nor the liberals support this, and thus they end up sacrificing our troops and our freedom.

    Do not let the conservatives or liberals pose as defenders of America or its military. Demand that they start truly protecting America and its soldiers--or be scorned as traitors to both.
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    The Republicans and Democrats are more worried about who is spending the money in Iraq thean who is fighting. Soon , a lot more Boys and Girls will be dying in Iraq, pray they are not yours.

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    We do need to quit pussyfooting around in Iraq....but how.... If we rise and finish off the shiites....then we are just continuing on with Saddams work...and further pissing off more Iran and syria and others.... Supporting the sunnis makes the rest of the middle east happy...kuwait, saudi etc...but at the same time we are also helping the very same folks who are aiding and supporting al qaeda in Iraq....

    Its a big problem for Boosh and co...There will never be peace in Iraq until either the sunnis or shiites are in complete control and domination over the other...

    Then there is the kurd problem.... Turkey is wanting to move troops into northern Iraq...that will be another c-f*ck


    I sure dont envy ole georgie boy there....hopefully he is as blissfully ignorant as many say he is....I dont see how any normal person could even get a minutes sleep with the weight of Iraq....and probably the whole world on his or her shoulders...

    Dont envy the next US prez either....unless georgies surge plan doesnt help any..( it wont...see above about sunnis and shiites) then someone is going to be handed an A class f8cked up mess.......

    I bet when Bush leaves the white house on his last day he will probably be running and jumping...probably jumping up in the air clicking his heels together...hollering all kinds of ****...giggling like a little school girl....

    2 more years...therabouts....

    support the chimp...support the troops....so let it be written...so let it be done...

    oh yes... Ive heard from a fairly reliable source that Bush is planning on leaving a mix tape in the oval office for the next prez.... the song "Dont Worry,Be Happy"...recorded over and over and over....

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    oh yes... Ive heard from a fairly reliable source that Bush is planning on leaving a mix tape in the oval office for the next prez.... the song "Dont Worry,Be Happy"...recorded over and over and over....
    What? He is not leaving that for the next President, he's listening to that tape right now. He just forgot to pack it up when he left, and the new prez found it... Probably right next to the drawer full of rubber chickens and fake barf that Bush keeps in the drawers of the desk in the oval office...

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    Quote Originally Posted by oloenneker View Post
    .Probably right next to the drawer full of rubber chickens and fake barf that Bush keeps in the drawers of the desk in the oval office...
    Probably right next to Bill's old condoms and Vaseline jar, and pictures of Monica.
    “Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one.” –Albert Einstein
    “Experience is a hard teacher because she gives the test first, the lesson afterwards.”-Vernon Law

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    have you heard any good lawyer jokes lately?

    we could just let john edwards and kerry have their lawyers draw up some subpoenas for suspected terrorists--that should bring international terrorism to a screeching halt
    but look at a mid-range picture--not assuming this is the BIG picture...
    and here's your little cheat sheet. hold up one hand with just four fingers up. the finger on the right is afghanistan, the next to the left is iran, the next iraq, the last is syria. does this seem gay or what? no, but supposing some of this c'fudge actually could work, basically iran is surrounded.
    fatalism has me in its clutches on this one, and I think the barbarians (read: the good old boy networks in Camel country) take pleasure in resisting any attempts to provide gov't setups with democratic principles at core.
    so, I guess in two years we're back to retreat and call the lawyers
    It's great to be alive and pumping oxygen!

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    Liberals oppose the Iraq war and other wars, not because they truly value our soldiers, but because they--like the conservatives--oppose our soldiers mounting an uncompromising, self-assertive defense of America. But such a defense is required to defeat the threat of Islamic totalitarianism. We must adopt a foreign policy of self-interest and commit to defend ourselves using our full, unmatched military might. Neither the conservatives nor the liberals support this, and thus they end up sacrificing our troops and our freedom.


    This is simply not true of Libs. We supported the Afghan war and still do. Its Afghanistan wear terrorists went to train and live, before being sent on a mission, not Iraq. Now dumbya has our troops caught in the crossfire of a civil war. A war that has nothing to do with Americas safety.

    President Bush made the war's primary focus the welfare of Iraqis--above all, their "freedom" to elect whatever regime they wished, no matter how anti-American.

    Dumbya only made this the "mission" after the first 15 reasons for going to war with Iraq were found to be false. You have to be pretty gullible to think this is our reason for invading Iraq.

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