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    New Water Heater

    was at this house yesterday to work on the AC when i saw this in the basement, it was installed the day before. Power vented water heater was replaced with a natural draft water heater. This is not a homeowner install, this was done by a contractor, homeowner was not aware of any problems. Not going to comment on the pics myself, would like to hear some unbiased opinions from other techs.

    water heater, note abandoned 2" pvc vent pipe:Name:  wh3.jpg
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    termination, new is between line set and disconnect, old abandoned vent is off to the leftName:  wh2.jpg
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    Hope they have good homeowners insurance for when the house burns down.

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    I cant comment because I'll get banned!
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    why

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    LOL! that couldn't of been done by a contractor, that has to be a handyman.

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    Well, you wanted unbiased opinions. The only things I see done incorrectly right off the bat is, single wall flue needs 4" clearance from combustables. This should have been double wall.

    Flue pipe needs to be ran 18" past the closest combustible 48" away (i.e. if roof is flat, it must be 18" above the roof with a cap on it). Which brings me to, it needs a cap.

    It needs to be secured properly to the ceiling, not hanging loose like that. It needs a wall penetration thimble, and once past the wall, it needs to have a T with a T stand before going up. Ideally it also should be located further away from the A/C and disconnect if for no other reason than safety.

    And finally, to make matters worse, flue pipes can't terminate that close to an openable window. Even the old PVC installation might be out of code as well, however it's hard to accurately guess distance and I'd need to verify required clearances via the manual of the old water heater.

    There ya go!

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    Lets go the other direction. What is actually correct about the venting?

    Pipe appears to be the correct size. They at least didn;t venti it through the PVC.


    Is that a gas manifold in the background? At least it has a drip leg. But I've never seen so much flexible gas line. Is it really that much cheaper than iron pipe?

    Thats a lot of gas appliances. I'm going to guess a stove, clothes dryer and fireplace. Wonder if there's enough capaicty there?

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    Why did the lay it on the floor like that? Jk looks like sh!t

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    Quote Originally Posted by motoguy128 View Post
    Lets go the other direction. What is actually correct about the venting?

    Pipe appears to be the correct size. They at least didn;t venti it through the PVC.


    Is that a gas manifold in the background? At least it has a drip leg. But I've never seen so much flexible gas line. Is it really that much cheaper than iron pipe?

    Thats a lot of gas appliances. I'm going to guess a stove, clothes dryer and fireplace. Wonder if there's enough capaicty there?
    That's not a gas flex you're seeing. The yellow "flex" you see is PEX pipe for gas, which I am rather fond of. I used it to run a gas line from my furnace closet to dryer closet (two totally different areas of the house). It is quickly becoming the standard in new home installs. If I remember right, it is already part of building code in Alaska.

    That said, it was poorly ran and needed proper securing.

    http://www.gaspex.com.au/ (For reference)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kobe RBVBD View Post
    Well, you wanted unbiased opinions. The only things I see done incorrectly right off the bat is, single wall flue needs 4" clearance from combustibles. This should have been double wall.

    Flue pipe needs to be ran 18" past the closest combustible 48" away (i.e. if roof is flat, it must be 18" above the roof with a cap on it). Which brings me to, it needs a cap.

    It needs to be secured properly to the ceiling, not hanging loose like that. It needs a wall penetration thimble, and once past the wall, it needs to have a T with a T stand before going up. Ideally it also should be located further away from the A/C and disconnect if for no other reason than safety.

    And finally, to make matters worse, flue pipes can't terminate that close to an operable window. Even the old PVC installation might be out of code as well, however it's hard to accurately guess distance and I'd need to verify required clearances via the manual of the old water heater.

    There ya go!
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    Quote Originally Posted by garychance View Post
    LOL! that couldn't of been done by a contractor, that has to be a handyman.
    I would have agreed with you, until I read the post after your original one quoted here.
    The Food Stamp Program, administered by the U.S. Department of Agriculture, is proud to be distributing the greatest amount of free meals and stamps EVER.
    Meanwhile, the National Park Service, administered by the U.S. Department of the Interior, asks us to "Please Do Not Feed the Animals". Their stated reason for this policy "... the animals become dependent on handouts and will not learn to take care of themselves."
    from an excerpt by Paul Jacob in Sun City, AZ

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    2nd pic looks like there is some sort of line laying up against the flue too

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    Quote Originally Posted by pacnw View Post
    PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE tell us you are kidding about this post!!!!!!!
    I am unsure what you are referring to. Everything I said in that post is part of the building code for California.

    And considering I've passed over 1,000 inspections on installs that involve running flue pipe, I would say I have some reason to believe my criticism of that flue pipe run is correct.

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