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  1. #1
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    opinions on inspections/licencing

    I am a big believer in permits and inspections and individual licensing. I spent the first 15 years of my career in the Springfield Mo area where every job is permited and inspected and it takes a master mechanical license to even get the permit and you have to have a journeyman on the job at all times and every company had to follow those rules union or not. The code enforcement personel are strict and by the book. Two years ago i moved to joplin mo just an hour away from springfield and was shocked at how different it is here. Joplin is a city of 60,000 or so and you dont need anyting but a business license here. There are plumbing and electrical inspections but no mechanical inspections. Two years ago an F5 tornado literally destroyed half the city it was the deadliest tornado in us history162 people died. During the rebuilding every guy that owned a hammer and a pair of snips came to the area to underbid the proffesionals and gobble up the work doing just horrible work and nobody could do anything about it and by now they are long gone and us local professionals have to clean up the mess. So who is in favor of inspections and individual licensing and who thinks it is not needed i look forward to hearing everyones opinion. I for one am for the inspections 100 percent i think it gets rid of the fly by night contractors and keeps te quality of work at a high level according to the mechanical code that everyone should be abiding by. What do you guys think?

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    Unfortunately a large majority of inspectors really are not very knowledgeable. They are either hack tradesman who washed out of their trade; or know someone with the city and get hired after a bs cert course. There are a few who might have been a proper tech that was injured or for other reasons cannot wrench anymore but over all inspectors are generally not that great. They will bust balls over little stuff yet more serious infractions are not addressed. Just make it "look" pretty and you will get your green tag.

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    Inspections should be privatized.
    Saddle Up!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeus View Post
    Unfortunately a large majority of inspectors really are not very knowledgeable. They are either hack tradesman who washed out of their trade; or know someone with the city and get hired after a bs cert course. There are a few who might have been a proper tech that was injured or for other reasons cannot wrench anymore but over all inspectors are generally not that great. They will bust balls over little stuff yet more serious infractions are not addressed. Just make it "look" pretty and you will get your green tag.
    That is true but with no inspection at all people get away with anything, even those companies that are licensed. In my area they inspect new construction only, and have only been doing that for about 10 years. On change-outs or add-ons there is no inspection and generally the person in the company that is licensed only does the bidding and collecting of the cash. The installs are done by a sheet metal crew that requires no certification at all, then a tech is called in after the fact to do the start up. This really needs to change around here.

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    Over here you have to be licensed, even to bash tin. With that being said, there have been cases where one guy takes the exams for 5 of his cousins, so you end up with 5 "mechanics" for whom a multimeter is a piece of jewelry used to dazzle the HO's. We have our share of hacks, but without licensing and inspections, competent mechanics/fitters/tinbashers would get underbid by hacks more and the quality of work would suffer. In general, loose inspection/licensing regs are bad for competent installers, great for service specialists

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    Gotta have good inspectors to enforce good standards. Pretty easy to fix your situation. Carry a camera and develope a relationship with a local investigative reporter. One or two stories about unsafe hack attacks that were allowed to happen and the code enforcement dept seats will get hot. And it will probably generate alot of work for your local pros cause every home owner who sees the report will want their system checked and corrected.

  7. #7
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    In springfield there were no hack inspectors they were all master mechanical license holders and 30 year tradesmen they were strict but fair they had the same goal as we did to keep the quality of work at a high level and everyone had to play by the same rules which kept the fly by nights out of town as far as the comment someone made about one guy getting licences for other people that wouldnt happen there i had to be approved at the city council meeting and prove 12 years before i could even take the test and anyone who has taken the prometric masters test knows they check id and they take it pretty seriously at least they did there

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