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    Quote Originally Posted by TheControlsFreak View Post
    As similar question on LinkedIn was posted asking what types of people companies/owners look to hire for controls technician positions. Were they IT guys? Mechanical guys? etc. This is what I added to the conversation which can be translated for those looking to gain a position and may not have much or ANY direct experience.
    When I think about the fact that the last time I earned $10/hr was 1989 (and $18/ hr 1995) that is a pretty depressing post.

    While I am an "IT guy" to my friends, have built hot rods, and I have never, EVER walked away from a learning opportunity, I could not give up my rate today for half as much, just to prove that my experiences place me above the curve.
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    Quote Originally Posted by joey791 View Post
    TB- I'm looking for people, you have always seemed knowledgeable and humble(read crabs original mentor post) move down here, I'll teach you.
    Well that is tempting.

    Earlier this year, I opened a dialog with a guy that runs a major Co out in KC. His lead guy, who has known me and my abilities for many years, recommended me to him. I talked for a while with him by phone, and sent him a pile of stuff he wanted to see, including written recommendations from my customers!!

    Weeks went by, then more weeks. Not a word. He ended up rehiring a guy his lead man didn't even like.

    I would have found a way to make it work, too. Wages weren't the issue, as this would have been a UA job, and over $100k.

    So, I'm a little gun shy about moving now. I spent a lot of energy on that one.
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    I hear you brother man, had an offer to move a few years back one of the Fortune 100 top companies to work for, but I couldn't see pulling up stakes.
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    From my experience, many of the controls only manufactures do not publish their programming manuals (or do not publish the full set). Equipment providers that also have controls tend to publish more information on their controls as they are more concerned about selling equipment and the controls are required to insure the equipment is controlled in a manner consistent with the equipmet design. I would suggest that if someone is looking to educate themself to use these as a resource in order to increase their knowledge. As more equipment is provided with factory mounted BACnet and Modbus Controls, you need to understand how the equipment operates and what each point can and cannot perform concerning the sequence of operation. Understanding the equipment will go a long way toward understanding how to control the equipment.

    Belimo for example has online training classes (I cannot vouch for the quality of these classes I just know they exist).

    Many of the equipment distributors also hold classes on their equipment from residential to commercial. Some are free and some charge for the classes.

    Investing in yourself by reading manuals and utilizing on line tools is a great way to increase your personal stock. I personally spend at least 10 hours a week on my own time (usually a lot more) reading technical manuals, researching products, or brushing up on business or market information.

    I believe someone mentioned earlier that automating your own home is another good approach to increase your experience which I believe to be sound advice to increase your knowledge.

    This is just my opinion and personal experience which has served me well over the years. I am sure others have ideas on how to help those looking to increase their knowledge in controls.

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    I think the home automation idea is intriguing.
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    This may sound a little far fetched, but go out and buy a couple grand worth of crap. And put it together. I just bought a PLC controller and learning basic PLC stuff as we speak.

    You could buy a carel plc controller and software for a couple hundred bucks. And just teach yourself stuff. I have an office in my home with several controllers that I deal with, couple boards, couple loads on outputs, couple sensors on inputs. I play around networking stuff with routers I bought a few years back. I get crazy requests for if the control systems we do in the supermarket business can do wild stuff sometimes, and I try to accomplish and practice stuff all the time. One project I am doing right now is to develop the logic of sequence I want for our condenser drives. I have seen it done almost the bullet proof way, and seen it done poorly with different available programming. I am trying to combine these into what I call a flexible combiner, so all logic is done through one application. where as the way it is done well now is utilizing a few different logic blocks to accomplish the sequence. Then it will be my signature way of doing it that I have not seen done in the circles I travel.

    Not trying to toot my horn. Just simply demonstrating how far I go to learn, stay relevant. Stuff as simple as exporting a setpoint file, over bluetooth from one device to unother, upload it into a different system. I actually practice and read this stuff in my off time all the time.

    I log about 10 to 15 hours a week myself. I don't know many controls guys in the HVAC side, but of them I do know, and all the reefer controls guys I know, they all put in a ton of time on thier own. That is why I was just saying in a previous thread. There is a but load of effort that goes into ongoing learning many who are not doing controls does not understand.

    You can also find the local wholesaler who supports the Niagra stuff and sign up for the NON Cert class. About $600. I am signing up in the fall, for the full boat week long deal. On my vacation, on my dime. I am really determined to learn that thing. I think there is huge value in investing in this for my future. The boss has mentioned he will support this, and if he does great, if he does not, I am not waiting around.

    I have recently been watching some excellent networking videos online at youtube. Elithe computer guy. He's awesome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dowadudda View Post
    This may sound a little far fetched, but go out and buy a couple grand worth of crap.
    Yep all those ds that does sound a little far fetched

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    very soon it is you that will be pwned

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    Joey,

    That looks like a damn mess. LOL. A long time ago I got a killer deal on a very executive like desk, and so I got a desktop and a laptop, nice wireless printer, and a 46" screen. It has 2 sections to the desk. A back with a credenza, and a front with a large work area. I set it up just as if I was in biz for myself. And so off to the side of all this, I have one of them smaller banquet folding legs tables, and this is where I have my bench hardware set up. I like it clean and neat. And this space is my work space. I only go in there if I am doing work related stuff.

    If I just had a space like you show, I wouldn't be able to get anything done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MatrixTransform View Post
    very soon it is you that will be pwned

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    Whatever is in that white box above the fan must be complete awesomeness 'cause it says FRA-JEE-LAY... That's Italian for expensive, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheControlsFreak View Post
    Whatever is in that white box above the fan must be complete awesomeness 'cause it says FRA-JEE-LAY... That's Italian for expensive, right?
    You know it Abel
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    I wonder if any of you guys agree with me that, getting into the HVAC or R control world, is all about understanding yourself. How do you learn things. How well can you teach yourself things. How committed are you to pushing yourself.

    As most here. I have migrated into the controls side of refrigeration and now walking into the HVAC side because I am a technician, a mechanic is what I like to be referred to as. I use the term migration. Is the opportunities not there for everyone? It has been my experience that if your in the HVAC/R world as a technician, in commercial, your opportunity awaits.

    So how is it that not everyone migrates? I would say a majority make a stupid choice to limit their potential. Limit their career. They decide for a host of foolish reasons not to pursue it, when it is sitting there right in front of them. Not investing the time into their skills. Some of the cheapest, least expensive ways to enter into the discipline is to get thrown at it, or raise your hand with no fear. Then spend the next countless years learning, learning learning.

    It's you. It's all on you. it's what makes you you. are you capable? can you commit? can you learn in mid career? Are you willing to take a deep investment on your shoulders.

    Are you capable is very important, on top of having a sturdy willingness. Having the experiencing of teaching HVACR basics to new students with which was very satisfying. I also finally figured out, that some people, no matter how awesome they are as people, just don't have the kind of brain to develop in this trade. Back to you. If you have a tendency not to be honest with yourself and not take an honest assesment of what makes you you, and it ends up your not capable of this stuff, your gonna waste money and time otherwise wisely invested making you the best you, what ever that is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dowadudda View Post
    I also finally figured out, that some people, no matter how awesome they are as people, just don't have the kind of brain to develop in this trade. Back to you. If you have a tendency not to be honest with yourself and not take an honest assesment of what makes you you, and it ends up your not capable of this stuff, your gonna waste money and time otherwise wisely invested making you the best you, what ever that is.
    That is one of the most frustrating things, both for the "new guy" and the vet. So many want in controls but it is not for most. It is for those that will spend hours of their own time learning and tinkering and even then they may not be able to do it. The picture above of the pile-o-stuff is a sample of what it takes. Many folks here have that pile in one form or another, i know I do. It sucks to move a great person out of controls but great people are not fit to do every thing. Tough to think ahead and behind, inside and outside of the box, be able to come up with a new solution to an old problem or reuse an old solution for a new problem. Controls is the most out of control thing that operates flawlessly that there is and if you can figure that out you may be right for it.
    "It's always controls"

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