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  1. #53
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    timebuilder,

    You should just try to get a job with a controls company.
    "The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten". --Benjamin Franklin
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    Quote Originally Posted by numbawunfela View Post
    Bump

    I like the info put up so far, with a bump, maybe we will get a few more morsels.
    TB, I'm talking to JCI right now. If I get something I can pass along, I will. Maybe I can trade for whatever you just had emailed to you. :-)

    These guys also would rather teach a computer savvy guy with a great grasp of mechanical, than get a guy with computer and networking degrees and teach him about mechanicals.

    Ill keep you updated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by air1 View Post
    timebuilder,

    You should just try to get a job with a controls company.
    I have been focusing on companies that are both HVAC mechanical and controls oriented, since the path I'm looking toward may already exist there.

    I have had three interviews in the past eight months, one where I had two meetings.

    Each time, I believed that I would be called in the next week to get a Co ID card.....

    Only one of the three companies actually discussed technical issues and knowledge for more than sixty seconds.
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    TB- do you enjoy dabbling in both controls and mechanical? I've been doing it the past 6 months and I thinks it gives us an advantage to see a lot of problems the rest might not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryan1088 View Post
    TB- do you enjoy dabbling in both controls and mechanical? I've been doing it the past 6 months and I thinks it gives us an advantage to see a lot of problems the rest might not.
    In a word, yes.

    No one else at my Co understands electronics and computers as I do, and since there is no room for controls advancement here, I need to move on. So I will either move on to another Co that sees my future value, or I will have to create that value first, but getting some more smarts under my belt, and selling the idea that I know what I'm controlling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by timebuilder View Post
    In a word, yes.

    No one else at my Co understands electronics and computers as I do, and since there is no room for controls advancement here, I need to move on. So I will either move on to another Co that sees my future value, or I will have to create that value first, but getting some more smarts under my belt, and selling the idea that I know what I'm controlling.
    For me it was more of an adventure of the unknown and the challenge of something new. Luckily for me we have a few guys that do some contract work for us who are willing to help on the programming end of it.

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    I have always said that a great day for me is one during which I get to learn something new, apply that knowledge, and overcome a previously daunting task.

    I don't get all that every day, but I seek it and sometimes, I find it.
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    I found some CCNA fundamentals instruction on line for free. A guy has a series of videos that discuss layers and protocols for networking.
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    JCI has a you tube channel, with some instructional vids mixed in with the company propaganda

    https://www.youtube.com/user/JohnsonControlsInc/videos
    Hmmmm....smells like numbatwo to me.

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    The only way to learn controls is to send them out their and tell them not to catch anything on fire. It actually took me about a year to fully understand how HVAC Controls actually worked. There is way to much knowledge to learn by sitting in a class room it has to be hands on!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BAS-atechs View Post
    The only way to learn controls is to send them out their and tell them not to catch anything on fire. It actually took me about a year to fully understand how HVAC Controls actually worked. There is way to much knowledge to learn by sitting in a class room it has to be hands on!!!!
    Most of what I have learned in my life has been hands on, but at my own direction. I had read 100 stories in hod rod magazine or popular mechanics before I replaced my first engine piston or main bearing. I read a bunch of Don Lancaster articles before I built my first circuit board. I had read about digital computers at the Moore College of Engineering at Penn, before I wrote my first line of Fortran.

    I think it is a matter of motivation, determination, and taking advantage of experiences.
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    As similar question on LinkedIn was posted asking what types of people companies/owners look to hire for controls technician positions. Were they IT guys? Mechanical guys? etc. This is what I added to the conversation which can be translated for those looking to gain a position and may not have much or ANY direct experience.

    When you have 6 months to a year before needing that tech to be 100% self sufficient... I think there is more value in finding someone new to the HVAC/Controls industry and training them up. These types of hires are entry level and in most markets can be found for $10-$18 and should stay pretty close to their new hire rate for a year.

    These types of candidates should have:
    * Experience working on a computer and like it. Things like gaming, making websites, Excel spreadsheets, posting in message forums about their hobbies, etc.

    * Have experience working with tools and building stuff. Working on their car engine, building a golf cart into a tank for paintball, renovating houses, etc.

    * Fast to learn and eager to do so. No matter the age they need to be ready to learn and not come in thinking they already 'know' alot. They need to be able to learn new information, retain it and do it quickly.

    The above hire can easily be a valuable senior tech in 3-5 years and being that you were able to train them to YOUR standards and you got them working for you pretty cheap the first 2-3 years you should have no problem increasing their salary and keeping them happy moving forward... that is YOUR job as an employer, otherwise you will see that experienced tech (now after 2-3 years) go work for the competition.

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    TB- I'm looking for people, you have always seemed knowledgeable and humble(read crabs original mentor post) move down here, I'll teach you.
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