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  1. #79
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    About the home automation thing... Anybody try those FUJI Electric plc's that automation direct sells?

    Another economy line looks to be made by eaton, which I saw is carried by omega instruments. BTW bud, omega has an awesome line of catalogs that are also instructional.

    I love the hvac controls world, but being an electrician, I am being sucked more into the I&C end of the spectrum. And that's kind of scary, because HF acid and flammable liquids scare the crap out of me. I'd rather help a fat lady keep warm anyday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dowadudda View Post
    It's you. It's all on you. it's what makes you you. are you capable? can you commit? can you learn in mid career? Are you willing to take a deep investment on your shoulders.

    Are you capable is very important, on top of having a sturdy willingness. Having the experiencing of teaching HVACR basics to new students with which was very satisfying. I also finally figured out, that some people, no matter how awesome they are as people, just don't have the kind of brain to develop in this trade. Back to you. If you have a tendency not to be honest with yourself and not take an honest assesment of what makes you you, and it ends up your not capable of this stuff, your gonna waste money and time otherwise wisely invested making you the best you, what ever that is.
    Throughout my life, I have been forced to assess those traits you mentioned. And, I can say that the guy you described is me. I've done it whenever life has required me. New opportunity? I'm on it.

    But you could probably tell that about me, already.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dowadudda View Post
    I wonder if any of you guys agree with me that, getting into the HVAC or R control world, is all about understanding yourself... How committed are you to pushing yourself.

    As most here. I have migrated into the controls side of refrigeration and now walking into the HVAC side because I am a technician, a mechanic is what I like to be referred to as. I use the term migration. Is the opportunities not there for everyone? It has been my experience that if your in the HVAC/R world as a technician, in commercial, your opportunity awaits.

    I would say a majority make a stupid choice to limit their potential. Limit their career. Not investing the time into their skills. Some of the cheapest, least expensive ways to enter into the discipline is to get thrown at it, or raise your hand with no fear. Then spend the next countless years learning, learning learning.

    It's you. It's all on you. Some people... just don't have the kind of brain to develop in this trade. Back to you. If you have a tendency not to be honest with yourself and not take an honest assessment of what makes you you, and it ends up your not capable of this stuff, your gonna waste money and time otherwise wisely invested making you the best you, what ever that is.

    Paraphrased.^

    OT

    I can get into the need to invest in yourself and blah blah blah, but in my opinion the problem stems from where this trade is recruiting its workforce from.

    I have seen some outstanding people enter this trade, and I am proud to say I've taught them, but they are a minority that makes up maybe 15% of my students. These guys will go far and should make very good money when they reach their full potential. Another 15% have the potential, but are contempt with working their 40 hours and dicking off the rest of the time; I'd say that maybe 5% of this group will have success. Another 30% will probably do ok, most likely in light commercial and residential and the remaining 40% have no business owning tools. It's not that this group is a bunch of degenerates, but that this group lacks any combination of mental capacity and motivation needed to go anywhere in, well most things.

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    I picked up the CCENT Exam guide as a preliminary step toward becoming network savvy.

    If I can get that behind me, I'll do step two and get the CCNA with the second test.

    And yes, resumes are out there.....
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    The Internet and YouTube have been my source of education for many years. I am self taught on everything I know about Computers, IT/Networking, IS/Databases, Web programming etc.

    But I am the type that learns from doing, I don't do well with standard type schooling. There are, however, many that need more formal education with classes, books and teachers. I unfortunately sucked in that department and barely made it out of High School.

    For those that don't have the money, time or desire to take any kind of classes... just search the internet. Google is your friend.

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    Did you move from San Antone?

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    Dowadudda, did you work under Pete?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dowadudda View Post
    Did you move from San Antone?
    Yup sure did... I am now way up North in Ohio... Columbus.

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    No. But I learned a lot due to Pete.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheControlsFreak View Post
    Yup sure did... I am now way up North in Ohio... Columbus.
    ok. well cool. I enjoy your site. I liked the videos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cntrlartist View Post
    Dowadudda, did you work under Pete?
    I already answered. But. Yeagh. That dude knows his stuff. By all accounts, likely the best at the reefer controls game. I admired what he has done in his career, and his teachings had a tremendous impact on me.

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    "How would you prepare, and educate yourself for controls?"

    Start drinking excessively on a daily basis???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loose Cranks View Post
    "How would you prepare, and educate yourself for controls?"

    Start drinking excessively on a daily basis???
    Naw, my drinking days are behind me.
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