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    Thousands of U.S. weapons in Iraq missing

    WASHINGTON (AP) — Thousands of weapons the United States has provided Iraqi security forces cannot be accounted for and spare parts and repair manuals are unavailable for many others, a new report to Congress says.


    The report, prepared at the request of the chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, Sen. John Warner, R-Va., also found that major challenges remain that put at risk the Defense Department's goal of strengthening Iraqi security forces by transferring all logistics operations to the defense ministry by the end of 2007.

    A spokesman for Warner said the senator read the report over the weekend in preparation for a meeting Tuesday with Stuart W. Bowen Jr., the Special Inspector General for Iraq Reconstruction.

    Warner, who requested the report in May, "believes it is essential that Congress and the American people continue to be kept informed by the inspector general on the equipping and logistical capabilities of the Iraqi army and security forces, since these represent an important component of overall readiness," said Warner spokesman John Ullyot.

    The inspector general's office released its report Sunday in a series of three audits finding that:

    •Nearly one of every 25 weapons the military bought for Iraqi security forces is missing. Many others cannot be repaired because parts or technical manuals are lacking.

    •"Significant challenges remain that put at risk" the U.S. military's goal of strengthening Iraqi security forces by transferring all logistics operations to the defense ministry by the end of 2007.

    •"The unstable security environment in Iraq touches every aspect" of the Provincial Reconstruction Team program, in which U.S. government experts help Iraqis develop regional governmental institutions.

    The Pentagon cannot account for 14,030 weapons — almost 4% of the semiautomatic pistols, assault rifles, machine guns, rocket-propelled grenade launchers and other weapons it began supplying to Iraq since the end of 2003.

    The missing weapons will not be tracked easily: The Defense Department registered the serial numbers of only about 10,000 of the 370,251 weapons it provided — less than 3%.

    Missing from the Defense Department's inventory books were 13,180 semiautomatic pistols, 751 assault rifles and 99 machine guns.

    The audit on logistics capabilities said there is a "significant risk" that the Iraqi interior ministry "will not be capable of assuming and sustaining logistics support for the Iraqi local and national police forces in the near term." That support includes equipment maintenance, transportation of people and gear and health resources for soldiers and police.

    The audit on Provincial Reconstruction Teams said that, because of security issues, they "have varying degrees of ability to carry out their missions." Auditors reviewed nine teams and four satellite offices and found "4 were generally able, 4 were somewhat able, 3 were less able and 2 were generally unable" to accomplish their goals.

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    The audit does not make clear at what point the weapons were lost. But it notes that "there could have been undetected losses" before weapons were ever issued to Iraqi security forces
    Manuals are on the Internet.

    Big Yawn

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    Quote Originally Posted by tinknocker44 View Post
    WASHINGTON (AP) — Thousands of weapons the United States has provided Iraqi security forces cannot be accounted for and spare parts and repair manuals are unavailable for many others, a new report to Congress says.


    The report, prepared at the request of the chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, Sen. John Warner, R-Va., also found that major challenges remain that put at risk the Defense Department's goal of strengthening Iraqi security forces by transferring all logistics operations to the defense ministry by the end of 2007.

    A spokesman for Warner said the senator read the report over the weekend in preparation for a meeting Tuesday with Stuart W. Bowen Jr., the Special Inspector General for Iraq Reconstruction.

    Warner, who requested the report in May, "believes it is essential that Congress and the American people continue to be kept informed by the inspector general on the equipping and logistical capabilities of the Iraqi army and security forces, since these represent an important component of overall readiness," said Warner spokesman John Ullyot.

    The inspector general's office released its report Sunday in a series of three audits finding that:

    •Nearly one of every 25 weapons the military bought for Iraqi security forces is missing. Many others cannot be repaired because parts or technical manuals are lacking.

    •"Significant challenges remain that put at risk" the U.S. military's goal of strengthening Iraqi security forces by transferring all logistics operations to the defense ministry by the end of 2007.

    •"The unstable security environment in Iraq touches every aspect" of the Provincial Reconstruction Team program, in which U.S. government experts help Iraqis develop regional governmental institutions.

    The Pentagon cannot account for 14,030 weapons — almost 4% of the semiautomatic pistols, assault rifles, machine guns, rocket-propelled grenade launchers and other weapons it began supplying to Iraq since the end of 2003.

    The missing weapons will not be tracked easily: The Defense Department registered the serial numbers of only about 10,000 of the 370,251 weapons it provided — less than 3%.

    Missing from the Defense Department's inventory books were 13,180 semiautomatic pistols, 751 assault rifles and 99 machine guns.

    The audit on logistics capabilities said there is a "significant risk" that the Iraqi interior ministry "will not be capable of assuming and sustaining logistics support for the Iraqi local and national police forces in the near term." That support includes equipment maintenance, transportation of people and gear and health resources for soldiers and police.

    The audit on Provincial Reconstruction Teams said that, because of security issues, they "have varying degrees of ability to carry out their missions." Auditors reviewed nine teams and four satellite offices and found "4 were generally able, 4 were somewhat able, 3 were less able and 2 were generally unable" to accomplish their goals.
    Yep. Bush is supplying the insurgency with weapons.

    You're doing a heck of a job Bushie!!!!!!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by geerair View Post
    Yep. Bush is supplying the insurgency with weapons.

    You're doing a heck of a job Bushie!!!!!!!!!
    The audit does not make clear at what point the weapons were lost. But it notes that "there could have been undetected losses" before weapons were ever issued to Iraqi security forces
    Yawn...I would bet more guns were stolen in New Orleans after Katrina.

    What is the hand gun murder rate there since Jan 1 07 ?

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    Yeah it is a yawner. Our soldiers are being gunned down and blown up daily by these "lost" weapons.

    Yeah, no big deal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by geerair View Post
    Yeah it is a yawner. Our soldiers are being gunned down and blown up daily by these "lost" weapons.

    Yeah, no big deal.
    You have proof of that? Cause they said they don't know when and where they went missing. How do you get blown up by a pistol?

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    Quote Originally Posted by geerair View Post
    Yeah it is a yawner. Our soldiers are being gunned down and blown up daily by these "lost" weapons.

    Yeah, no big deal.
    You can buy AK47's for about thirty to sixty bucks. I think the US bought them for Iraq security forces. So, you aren't talking a big investment to get them. Maybe investigate where they get the bullets instead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by James 3528 View Post
    You have proof of that? Cause they said they don't know when and where they went missing.
    Certainly. This is but one of the many articles concerning this issue. Articles which are easily googled by someone who wants proof.

    http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...raqarms10.html



    Brigadier Hassan Nouri, Chief of the Political Investigations Bureau for the Sulaimaniya District: "They go from the U.S. Army to the Iraqi Army to the smugglers. I have captured many of these guns that the terrorists bought."




    How do you get blown up by a pistol?
    You don't, you get blown up by RPGs.

    I would have thought they taught you that when you were in the Army.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sysint View Post
    You can buy AK47's for about thirty to sixty bucks. I think the US bought them for Iraq security forces. So, you aren't talking a big investment to get them.
    Who cares about investment? I'm talking American lives.

    Maybe investigate where they get the bullets instead.
    It would be the same source as for the guns unless you think the U.S. Army gave the Iraqi Army and Police these guns and instructed them to say "Bang" when they pulled the triggers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by geerair View Post
    Who cares about investment? I'm talking American lives.

    It would be the same source as for the guns unless you think the U.S. Army gave the Iraqi Army and Police these guns and instructed them to say "Bang" when they pulled the triggers.
    Bang.

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    Most of them are likely going to the shiites so its no biggie... They are likely being used against the sunnis...hope they are getting some ammunition too...

    I dont ever hear of one of guys being shot...the sunnis seem to be using IEDS to take out the majority of US soldiers...

    Too bad we cant lose a little armor and air support....lol

    Didnt jesus say that whenever a sunni dies an angel gets its wings ??? something like that

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    Quote Originally Posted by geerair View Post
    Certainly. This is but one of the many articles concerning this issue. Articles which are easily googled by someone who wants proof.

    http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...raqarms10.html



    Brigadier Hassan Nouri, Chief of the Political Investigations Bureau for the Sulaimaniya District: "They go from the U.S. Army to the Iraqi Army to the smugglers. I have captured many of these guns that the terrorists bought."




    You don't, you get blown up by RPGs.

    I would have thought they taught you that when you were in the Army.
    More reliable sources have said only 3% of the serial numbers were recorded. The contract stated that the weapons had to be new and unused. As I recall none of the purchases were AK47's. What they taught me on the Military is that some soldiers, contractors and civil service employees steal. That's why the armorer wear a gun. From the media hype of the kayos in Iraq, 1 in 25 weapons not accounted for is a relatively low number. Like I said, a better number than the ones missing in New Orleans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by geerair View Post
    Yep. Bush is supplying the insurgency with weapons.

    You're doing a heck of a job Bushie!!!!!!!!!

    that was for sure the
    stupidist quote of the day yesterday



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