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    Where is all the ammo ?

    New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Delaware, Maryland, Virginia, West Virginia, and Kentucky = no luck.

    And Cabelas is Totally out of even .22LR ???

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    The gubmints buying it all up to either shoot all of us or prevent all of us from shooting them.
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    Do you have any evidence to support that theory?

    The thought occurred to me so I was just looking up total annual US government ammo contracts versus total annual US ammo production.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2sac View Post
    The gubmints buying it all up to either shoot all of us or prevent all of us from shooting them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poodle Head Mikey View Post
    Do you have any evidence to support that theory?

    The thought occurred to me so I was just looking up total annual US government ammo contracts versus total annual US ammo production.

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    I have a friend that used to be in the arms manufacturing business. This is the same thing that happened about 5 years ago during that ammo shortage. All the big manufacturers do government contracts. As part of the deal, they MUST accept orders and if they don't they will be shut down. The gov. has contracted them to make as much ammo as they can in the prescribed period. (one year I think). This is not a secret, but apparently not common knowledge. They basically binge and purge. Stockpile then use the ammo. With the wars and possible problems with Iran, and North Korea, they are currently stockpiling. When they get their fill, the ammo manufacturers will return to normal production, but while they are making ammo for the government, that is all they are doing. This is nothing new, just business as usual.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dijit View Post
    I have a friend that used to be in the arms manufacturing business. This is the same thing that happened about 5 years ago during that ammo shortage. All the big manufacturers do government contracts. As part of the deal, they MUST accept orders and if they don't they will be shut down. The gov. has contracted them to make as much ammo as they can in the prescribed period. (one year I think). This is not a secret, but apparently not common knowledge. They basically binge and purge. Stockpile then use the ammo. With the wars and possible problems with Iran, and North Korea, they are currently stockpiling. When they get their fill, the ammo manufacturers will return to normal production, but while they are making ammo for the government, that is all they are doing. This is nothing new, just business as usual.
    most of the ammo that the government ordered is 40cal Hydro-shok hollow point. Which is illegal to use in war. The military doesn't use 40cal...anything? Part of that same order is for 9mm, THAT the government uses a LOT.

    let not forget the 2700 armored vehicles they just ordered.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmac00 View Post
    most of the ammo that the government ordered is 40cal Hydro-shok hollow point. Which is illegal to use in war. The military doesn't use 40cal...anything? Part of that same order is for 9mm, THAT the government uses a LOT.

    let not forget the 2700 armored vehicles they just ordered.
    It is interesting to note that I went to a local gun store yesterday and 40 cal was the only thing on the shelf for handgun ammo. I wanted 38 and 40 but was able to buy plenty of 40 but no 38 and 38 is a revolver ammo while 40 is mostly for semiauto handguns.

    No problem with getting rifle ammo with the exception of 22 and 223.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmac00 View Post
    most of the ammo that the government ordered is 40cal Hydro-shok hollow point. Which is illegal to use in war. The military doesn't use 40cal...anything? Part of that same order is for 9mm, THAT the government uses a LOT.

    let not forget the 2700 armored vehicles they just ordered.
    This is not true. You are talking about the DHS order that has been floating around in the media, I believe. This is not the only government contract being manufactured. It is just the only one being talked about. I don't like the idea anymore than the next guy, but that is beside the point. Not only are there military contracts being manufactured for our government but for our allies overseas by American as well as foreign companies. This isn't the first time there has been an ammo shortage... and it wont be the last. It is no coincidence that all of the ammo shortages I have experienced have happened during times of war. Think about how many rounds are expelled every day overseas, and then think about how North Korea and Iran are getting all uppity. You don't think this would have an impact on ammo availability here? The military doesn't make their own anything, it is all bought from private companies including airplanes, tanks, etc. When their demand goes up, our supply goes down. And to top it off, many ammo brands are really not manufactured by that company, they are manufactured by the same one or two that makes the others just in a different box. When those big manufacturers are busy, guess what happens to the availability of their products.

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    Similar situation in Phoenix. The ammo shelves are looking pretty bare most places. I reload (primarily for plinking) and they just look at me like I'm daft when I ask for powder and primers - there are none to be found here. I found an internet retailer that will accept backorders, after about 3 weeks they have my powder (Unique) in stock, just waiting for the primers to come in. I picked a crummy time to run out...

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    My buddy just came from the Albuquerque knife & gun show and they want $50 for a brick of no- name 22LR - This is nuts!

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    It is all the, 'I got to be ready for anything' types that clean out the shelves when it comes in. Don't bother me, I have about 5000 rounds and enough reloading supplies for a while.
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    Quote Originally Posted by printer2 View Post
    It is all the, 'I got to be ready for anything' types that clean out the shelves when it comes in. Don't bother me, I have about 5000 rounds and enough reloading supplies for a while.
    That is pretty much the correct answer. I have never EVER been able to purchase ammo in the amounts I wish, the dealers just do not keep it in stock. I buy in quantity. I am not weird, I am used to living in the country and I buy everything in quantity whether it be bullets or chunky soup. If I need one, then I need 2 dozen.

    When I bought my mom's gun before Christmas I picked up some more ammo for me too, only got one box 25 count, that was all they had and a common caliber. No more "in the back", I asked them. This is a major store in Plano, must have 8 or 10 other customers there when I went in and 3 or 4 guys working the counter.

    I thought it was pretty outrageous they did not have any ammo, but I run into the exact same problem at the air conditioning supply houses, they just do not keep chit in stock that we expect them to have. Any small run on supply will clear the shelves.

    The ammo you want is in our bunkers, LOL..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tool-Slinger View Post
    That is pretty much the correct answer. I have never EVER been able to purchase ammo in the amounts I wish, the dealers just do not keep it in stock. I buy in quantity. I am not weird, I am used to living in the country and I buy everything in quantity whether it be bullets or chunky soup. If I need one, then I need 2 dozen.

    When I bought my mom's gun before Christmas I picked up some more ammo for me too, only got one box 25 count, that was all they had and a common caliber. No more "in the back", I asked them. This is a major store in Plano, must have 8 or 10 other customers there when I went in and 3 or 4 guys working the counter.

    I thought it was pretty outrageous they did not have any ammo, but I run into the exact same problem at the air conditioning supply houses, they just do not keep chit in stock that we expect them to have. Any small run on supply will clear the shelves.

    The ammo you want is in our bunkers, LOL..
    Yeah, common items that you need every day that do not go bad are best had when they go on sale and in bulk. If there comes a time I don't need those rolls of toilet paper in the closet I probably won't need much of anything.
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    I am only short of .22LR

    .22LR is just about all I shoot and, although I have heard that 'gov. is buying all ammo as a means of backdoor gun banning' idea before, the idea that it was even including .22LR seemed unlikely to me.

    Although maybe it would make sense as .22LR is the most popular and most used round and has been for a lot of years. And btw: which kills more people every year than any other round. <g>

    It's interesting to me that the entire US military and all police services combined are said to have between three and four Million guns. Whereas civilian guns number well over a quarter Billion. <g>
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