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    A freezer inside of a freezer inside of a freezer inside of a cooler insider a cooler

    The inner most freezer doesn't require defrost because there is 0% moisture in the air. The product is so temperature sensitive that it cannot raise 1* above its freezing point without being destroyed.

    ever heard of it?

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    liquid nitrogen? or maybe CO2

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phase Loss View Post
    The inner most freezer doesn't require defrost because there is 0% moisture in the air. The product is so temperature sensitive that it cannot raise 1* above its freezing point without being destroyed.

    ever heard of it?
    What kind of product would that be?
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    Unlikely as LIN & Liq co2 is relatively cheap and easily maintained in vacuum jacketed cryogenic vessels in the case of LIN and refrigerated or vacuum jacketed vessels in the case of co2. I would think the product in question would be medical research related.

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    yeah it's a medical research facility.

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    I use to take care of a blood bank. The freezer was nothing too fancy, just 2 compound Copelands with two evap coils with an auto switch-over if needed.

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    Liquid helium storage for MRI use

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    i dunno what they got in there. For all I know its frozen alien eggs.

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    I don't have any useful information to add, but what temperature range are you trying to achieve? Your Russian stacking dolls type of refrigeration scheme sounds crazy to me. Is this type of system commonly used for this type of application? Would the inner-most freezer be designed to only run if the other systems can't keep up for whatever reason, or would it basically be running all of the time?

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    Interesting concept.

    So, essentially, the outer "ring" of freezers act as a dehumidification system for the inner sanctum freezer only with shelves to store stuff on.

    Neat. Wonder how many layers of redundancy are built into that system?

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    I probably described it poorly. It's not a Russian stacking doll setup. it's one room after the next. Starting with coolers, then ending with freezers. Walk into one cooler...walk across the cooler, into the next cooler. Walk through that cooler to get into the first freezer and so fourth.

    I've not been there yet. But supposedly the last freezer in the chain has 100% run time, no defrost.

    redundancy, I dunno the setup. I know they have a backup generator.

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    When I ran the HVAC/R department of our hospital, one of the freezers in the pharmacy was an ultralow temp cascade system. This freezer is set at -85 celsius/-120 fahrenheit.
    It was purchased to allow extended use of a cancer killing drug. Normally a fraction of the drug($2700/vial) would be used for a patient and then the rest would be discarded. With the purchase of the ultralow freezer, the product could be used to its' full potential of six doses, which of course paid for the freezer about halfway through the first drug run.
    The cascade system used the evaporator from the second system to remove heat from the first systems condenser allowing the first evap to absorb as much heat necessary to overcome almost all of the heat that was able to get through 8 inches of high quality insulation and a locking double door system.

    Needless to say, the use of insulated gloves and eye protection is mandatory.

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