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    Quote Originally Posted by Tommy knocker View Post
    Sooo. Nothing on the point? Just bla bla bla I'm smarter then you so na na na na ?
    Ah, another proponent of manufactured history.

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    Quote Originally Posted by geerair View Post
    Ah, another proponent of manufactured history.
    Soo. Nothing? Still just bla bla bla me rite you dumb bla bla bla?

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    Quote Originally Posted by geerair View Post
    Ah, another proponent of manufactured history.
    I notice you have not addressed a single point on its validity. All we have gotten from you is the messenger is bad. This guy lies. That guy is bad. Bla bla bla. Try to focus here. It doesn't matter who you like or don't like. Find the point of the discussion and stay on it. Either refute it with logic and reason or accept its validity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tommy knocker View Post
    I notice you have not addressed a single point on its validity
    Apparently your ideological blinders kept you from noticing tha I addressed Blumefeld's bogus anecdote about a 13 year old ambassador.

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    Quote Originally Posted by geerair View Post
    Apparently your ideological blinders kept you from noticing tha I addressed Blumefeld's bogus anecdote about a 13 year old ambassador.
    Well I did see that you addressed an association Blumefeld had with someone that you said had some credibility issues with someone else and so on. But on the actual point of the discussion? Ya you still gave nothing. Agin find the point of the discussion and address it. All this good guy bad guy dribble is a waste of time. Either the POINT is valid or it isn't. I believe it is. Change my mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tommy knocker View Post
    Well I did see that you addressed an association Blumefeld had with someone that you said had some credibility issues with someone else and so on. But on the actual point of the discussion? Ya you still gave nothing. Agin find the point of the discussion and address it. All this good guy bad guy dribble is a waste of time. Either the POINT is valid or it isn't. I believe it is. Change my mind.
    Blumefeld used manufactired history (13 year old ambassador) in an attempt to support his views. Views that require manufactured history are fatally weak while writers who employ this method lack any integrity.

    That is the whole point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by geerair View Post
    Blumefeld used manufactired history (13 year old ambassador) in an attempt to support his views. Views that require manufactured history are fatally weak while writers who employ this method lack any integrity.

    That is the whole point.
    Ok I'm gonna type slow. Try to keep up. Who Blumefeld is nor what Blumefeld did or did not think, write, or say are the POINT of the discussion. You still with me? Now I understand this is difficult for you, obviously, but what you need to do is go back, read the text, find the point being made, then address that point. Don't care what you think about the OP, or hurtin, or me, or Blumfeld. Address the point if you think it is flawed. Change my mind. Show me how the point is flawed. I know that's a lot but try to focus. I know you can do it.

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    Dealing with dullards and simpletons.....
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    Why dont you folks just homeschool your kids....... get them ready for a blue collar at best.... working mans life........lol

    If your lucky..... from what I see on here those kids would be lucky to get a job holding a "I will work for food" sign

    Or send them to private school.....

    Thats one thing that really bothers me about americans...... you people are always whining and moaning.... but you dont do a dang thing to change things for the better.

    "I cant afford private shool for my kids because I was too stupid to get a good paying job"

    "Im not going to work two or three jobs just so my kid can have a good education"

    "How dare you to ask me to sacrafice my me time and my extra spending money on my children"

    Dont like public schools.....get your kids out....and quit moaning......

    Kids already out of school.....your opinion is worthless....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tommy knocker View Post
    Ok I'm gonna type slow. Try to keep up. Who Blumefeld is nor what Blumefeld did or did not think, write, or say are the POINT of the discussion. You still with me? Now I understand this is difficult for you, obviously, but what you need to do is go back, read the text, find the point being made, then address that point. Don't care what you think about the OP, or hurtin, or me, or Blumfeld. Address the point if you think it is flawed. Change my mind. Show me how the point is flawed. I know that's a lot but try to focus. I know you can do it.
    Yawn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by corny View Post
    Why dont you folks just homeschool your kids....... get them ready for a blue collar at best.... working mans life........lol

    If your lucky..... from what I see on here those kids would be lucky to get a job holding a "I will work for food" sign

    Or send them to private school.....

    Thats one thing that really bothers me about americans...... you people are always whining and moaning.... but you dont do a dang thing to change things for the better.

    "I cant afford private shool for my kids because I was too stupid to get a good paying job"

    "Im not going to work two or three jobs just so my kid can have a good education"

    "How dare you to ask me to sacrafice my me time and my extra spending money on my children"

    Dont like public schools.....get your kids out....and quit moaning......

    Kids already out of school.....your opinion is worthless....
    Yeah, the squawking is deafening.

    Not enough Jesus in public school? Ship 'em off to a parochial school.

    Don't like evolution? Home school 'em.

    Don't want your kids around other kids with different colored skin? Move to a wealthy school district.

    Don't care for lessons that involve other nations and cultures? Get elected to your local school board

    Only get off your ass and do something more productive than crying and slobbering on an HVAC talk forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by geerair View Post
    Yeah, the squawking is deafening.

    Not enough Jesus in public school? Ship 'em off to a parochial school.

    Don't like evolution? Home school 'em.

    Don't want your kids around other kids with different colored skin? Move to a wealthy school district.

    Don't care for lessons that involve other nations and cultures? Get elected to your local school board

    Only get off your ass and do something more productive than crying and slobbering on an HVAC talk forum.
    Don't you have some meeting to go to geer instead of sending your pro Marxist's posts here on ARP?

    You know like your monthly meeting of the Socialist Workers Party of America, the American Civil Liberties Union, the National Lawyers Guild, the Democratic Party, etc. instead of hanging out here with true blue Americans. Gees. Thank you, thank you very much
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    Quote Originally Posted by geerair View Post
    Using, as Blumefeld does, bogus anecdotes speaks volumes of a person more concerned with supporting a particular partisan view than any concept or practice of proper history scholarship.

    But then if you are comfortable using devious and sloppy sources to support your assertions, then post away.



    Just for grins, for a source you say you didn't pick because of a connection to religious zeal, the excerpt was postively eaten up with religious zeal. In fact, strip out the relgious zeal and what remains is little more than punctuation.


    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/1...cation-System#

    Here we have the very same, VERY historical, compelling, well researched, documented, muster passing information so readily dismissed as fundie quackery; now presented by a member of the left. Different motivation, to be sure, but same verifiable information and most interestingly: The very same fears. Who will control what our children learn? Which is in the same drawer as: Who will control my healthcare, who will control my body, who will control my access to weapons, who will control my ability to provide for my family and every other hot button issue that divides us.

    It is the issue of control, or more specifically the lack thereof, that makes these increasingly bizarre examples of public school shenanigans so inflammatory. They point directly to the lack of control felt by far right to slightly left members of the populace. The mid left to far left and progressives see absolutely nothing wrong and down play, mock and dismiss every objection that comes from those to the right of them as control of the public school system is decidedly in the hands of liberals and progressives.

    You would not see this sort of foolishness if conservatives were running the show. You might have other issues, sure, but you wouldn’t see this stuff. It would probably be a dry, mind-numbing affair focusing on reading, writing and arithmetic. Until recess and gym where there would be injuries from dodge ball and rope burns if you were lacking in upper body strength. The big fluffy mat only looks like it’s three stories down…just let go and start hitting the chin up bar every day. You’ll be up to the tape line on that rope in no time.

    So our leftist writer is pointing out the protestant religious influence in the genesis of our public education system and, if given a chance, would certainly propose that it had more to do with social order and mind control than math, reading and writing. Our righty writer is bemoaning the new secular experimentation he feels started at around that time and would doubtlessly believe continues to this day.

    Both are grappling with control, just as we are. And both have a valid point: Control of the public educational system has the potential to shape much more than just a child’s ability to read, write and divide fractions.

    If you missed it, Geer, it's almost certainly with ulterior motive.

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