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  1. #53
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    would be nice if doug would just supply his gauges ready to use with these thermocouples!

    the only thing i've never cared much for or use are the temp probes that came with my 1250's

    my temp probes have random patches of heat shrink on them where i've had to solder them back together ins various places over the years lol but they still work when i really need them. but on the regular, i just use my clamp meter and a temp clamp from FP
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    Just trying to help take it or leave it

    Antisocial Personality Disorder?

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    Quote Originally Posted by itsiceman View Post
    Just trying to help take it or leave it

    Antisocial Personality Disorder?

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    what? you want results or sumthin???
    If Guns Kill People, Do Pencils Misspell Words?

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    No, if some one had a disorder like that they would lie about that too

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    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antis...ality_disorder. Look under diagnosis ....... Know anyone? How would you help?

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    So I'm ordering a set of the AK900's. I was curious, after reading this thread (it seems everyone in this thread is very familiar with the DC's), if anyone had experience with the pipe clamps and also the sensors that are embedded in rubber and lock down with a velcro strap. I'm planning on ordering one of the two, and was curious on any recommendations. Are there are any issues with either of the two I mentioned? I currently have an SMAN3, but my only gripe with them is the accuracy of the k type clamps. I can calibrate them every day, and they still won't be calibrated. Bottom line is that I don't trust them. Some of the XC-21's that I frequently work with have subcooling targets of 2.5 degrees. If my clamps are a degree or two out, it can drastically affect charge. I'll calibrate them, then put them both on the same pipe directly next to eachother and read as much as 3-4 degrees difference. Put them back in crused ice/water mix, and they'll read 32 on the dot. It's more that they don't remain calibrated at different temps, other than 32. I'm really hoping to avoid this with thermistor type sensors, and want to be sure to select the correct ones. Thanks for any input.

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    Quote Originally Posted by suBcools View Post
    Some of the XC-21's that I frequently work with have subcooling targets of 2.5 degrees.
    Unless the systems have 15' refrigerant line sets, with the outdoor and indoor units on the same level, you will need more subcooling than that for the systems to work correctly, regardless of what the data plate calls for.
    If more government is the answer, then it's a really stupid question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mark beiser View Post
    Unless the systems have 15' refrigerant line sets, with the outdoor and indoor units on the same level, you will need more subcooling than that for the systems to work correctly, regardless of what the data plate calls for.
    I have also thought the same thing, basically wondering how 2.5 degrees of subcooling could yield a solid column to the expansion valve. On the other hand, i wonder why the engineers would spec that if it wouldn't work. I can't find anywhere in the literature i have indicating higher subcooling for different size line sets. Anyways, i don't want to hi Jack the thread, sorry about that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by suBcools View Post
    I have also thought the same thing, basically wondering how 2.5 degrees of subcooling could yield a solid column to the expansion valve. On the other hand, i wonder why the engineers would spec that if it wouldn't work. I can't find anywhere in the literature i have indicating higher subcooling for different size line sets. Anyways, i don't want to hi Jack the thread, sorry about that.
    Since virtually all of the residential systems I work on have at least 35' line sets, and usually have the indoor coil >8' above the outdoor unit, I pretty much ignore Lennox and Goodman's ridiculously low suggested subcooling numbers, and charge the systems for best operation.
    IMO, their low subcooling target is part of how they game the ARI ratings, and doesn't apply to the reality of most installations.
    If more government is the answer, then it's a really stupid question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by suBcools View Post
    So I'm ordering a set of the AK900's. I was curious, after reading this thread (it seems everyone in this thread is very familiar with the DC's), if anyone had experience with the pipe clamps and also the sensors that are embedded in rubber and lock down with a velcro strap. I'm planning on ordering one of the two, and was curious on any recommendations. Are there are any issues with either of the two I mentioned? I currently have an SMAN3, but my only gripe with them is the accuracy of the k type clamps. I can calibrate them every day, and they still won't be calibrated. Bottom line is that I don't trust them. Some of the XC-21's that I frequently work with have subcooling targets of 2.5 degrees. If my clamps are a degree or two out, it can drastically affect charge. I'll calibrate them, then put them both on the same pipe directly next to eachother and read as much as 3-4 degrees difference. Put them back in crused ice/water mix, and they'll read 32 on the dot. It's more that they don't remain calibrated at different temps, other than 32. I'm really hoping to avoid this with thermistor type sensors, and want to be sure to select the correct ones. Thanks for any input.
    I also have the SMAN 3 and have had the same expererience and concerns.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mark beiser View Post
    Since virtually all of the residential systems I work on have at least 35' line sets, and usually have the indoor coil >8' above the outdoor unit, I pretty much ignore Lennox and Goodman's ridiculously low suggested subcooling numbers, and charge the systems for best operation.
    IMO, their low subcooling target is part of how they game the ARI ratings, and doesn't apply to the reality of most installations.
    i could not agree more!!!!!!!!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by itsiceman View Post
    No, if some one had a disorder like that they would lie about that too
    i guess that depends on which disorder they have lmao
    If Guns Kill People, Do Pencils Misspell Words?

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    Hey guys, just putting in my 2 cents. I just modified my ak900 to accept the cooper sensors, works great. I did it the easier way of modifying the temp sensor wiring harness

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