Make sure you say that in an Arnold Swartzenegger voice too.
I don't know John, it's kinda the same old thing. You can't force anyone to learn that doesn't want to. The whole lead a horse to water but can't make them drink. I know a lot of these types actually. They go to classes and text, mess around, sleep or whatever then get mad when a few of us get sent to all the speciality trainings.
My boss said it pretty well the other day. You have people who live and learn, then you have others that are just living.
The guys who talk, sleep, text, etc are a$$ holes and should be called out and invited to leave, no refund, IMO. That is one of my pet peeves. The INSTRUCTOR must control their room or go do something else. But to say "experienced" tech is hard to teach is, IMO, inaccurate. A$$ holes are hard to teach.
I have never claimed to know anything about anything. This has worked for me for many years.
I have worked with guys who have more experience than me who have less knowledge. Whatever... I call it job security. I'm sure it is frustrating for a business owner. Doesn't bother me one bit.
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The term "experienced technician" is pretty broad, and kinda vague. It was pointed out to me years ago that there is a difference between "10 years of experience" and "1 year of experience, repeated 10 times".
These types of posts are intended to draw a line between those who own and those who are worker bees.
Not a single experienced tech. has become experienced without changing unecassary parts on occasion, if one can't admit it they are lying.
Some experienced folks know how to intellectualize there way around there failure or blame it on the next guy on the totem pole.
The day I stop learning is the day I stop breathing.
Remember not all Techs have had they blessings of training school and have had to learn by self teachings or OJT. A very high percentage of use techs have not been recepients of companies or large or small fortunes. Some have had to make a choice between working as opposed to schooling, a nice mixture would be best.
If anyone takes offense to this it is probably because that's what they are looking to get out of it.
These types of posts are intended to draw a line between those who own and those who are worker bees.
Not at all.
Some guys go to work in a job, and thirst to learn everything possible about the place they work....others show up, and do what they have to do to get paid, not caring what the company does or why.
Most people fall somewhere in between....but, it's a very broad range in between.
Some guys get off at five, go home and drink beer and watch TV in the evening....while others spend their free time studying their career.....like many of the guys on this forum.
Look around. There are plenty of people in the trade like the ones I've described. They shun training ("I don't need that BS")....but bow up like a bullfrog when you question what they did on a specific job.
Now, how many of those guys do you even see here? Few, if any, I'd be willing to bet.
I've told countless guys just about this forum. How many of them do I know to be members? Two. One participates in learning discussions, while the other doesn't participate at all, except to look at Wall of Shame pictures.
Can you guess which one is the newbie who wants to learn, and which one is the veteran who "doesn't need help", but changes companies every year and a half?
PASSION !!! that's what one needs to be successful in this trade.
Passion! thats a big word! do you think that the mail man goes home after delivering the last bill and studies his trade? how bout a locksmith? carpenter? mason?painters,plumbers etc?. are we HVAC mechanics supposed to give up our lives for the sake of our trade? in exchange for what?30K 40K 50K a year? UPS guys make that much.
There are many more things that I enjoy doing more than working. I consider myself pretty good at what I do, love the trade but I have a family, house, friends and hobbies and thats what really matters to me.
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