Destruction of the US or not?

[Elfshadow]

If you hate your job, it is really not my problem. There are other good jobs out there, but the market is really rough right now. Obama has created a jobs crisis, I would wait it out for 4 more years and see what happens. You should feel lucky to have ANY job, lots of folks are unemployed now and have NOTHING.

Obama bails out rich corporations like GM, then screws the little man with the Obamacare tax. This president is not helping the poor, he is making them poorer, and so far I do not like the CHANGE you people keep chanting. I am sick of your marxism, I don't want it.

When did I say I hate my job? I love troubleshooting and working. Please stop reading into a description of current management. If I hated my job I would quit. That's what freedom is.

Again stop reading into my agreeing with his observation of how a current corporation works. I vastly disagree with what has caused this. The changes I want is actual free markets. My view on Obama care is that it is corporate welfare for the major insurance companies. My solution would be to promote tax free health savings accounts and catastrophic insurance plans.

Please stop calling me a marxist. I'm a libertarian leaning conservative. I think government involvement in everything should pretty much be abolished.

Oh I would disagree that Obama created this mess. Unless he has been in power since 1913 he is only the latest player in this mess.

[Tool-Slinger]

We destroyed Haiti..... they were once a pretty decent country till we decided our sugar and rice producers in the US were important than a whole nation of people.

All the President has to do is dial in a location on the HURRICANE MACHINE and hit the enter button. Instant hurricane. Jeez.

[Elfshadow]

All the President has to do is dial in a location on the HURRICANE MACHINE and hit the enter button. Instant hurricane. Jeez.

that's not what he is referring to. He is referring to the massive import tax on cane sugar which was the major portion of their economy that we destroyed so that our massive aggro companies could have high fructose corn syrup.

I should amend this. That's why we keep it. The original reason was corporate subsidies in the 1930s trying to keep protect domestic sugar production.

[DeltaT]

Y'all complain about socialism and welfare but seem completely fine with corporate welfare and the largest companies being propped up by government. I see the majority of republicans to be as much socialist as the democrats with just slightly different view of what you want socialized.

In my view that statement is mostly not true. I'm surrounded by people of all beliefs that are in their own businesses and they hate what is going on yet there is no one to complain to that will do anything about it. Some large corporations and some wealthy people have an unfair and unbalanced influence over our elected official from the smallest to the largest forms of government.

And those folks are being pandered too at the cost of the American citizen, democrate or replublican and all that take up space between. The only difference I see is that replublicans know it and thos democrates that support obama do so because they rely on payment from the government in some way.

I'm tired of the taxation and the fees that are constantly put on me and my business friends by local, state and the federal government. I remember when I would work with about 2% of my time devoted to necessary government paperwork. Now it's more like 20% with most of the people telling me what to do don't know a thing about this business.

It's not about replublicans or democrates. It's about our country, yours and mine. And we, all of us, need to stop the enemies of this country. As of this date that is impossible simply because 99% of the enemies of this country are being supported by and live by this soon-to-be central government.

[glennac]

We destroyed Haiti..... they were once a pretty decent country till we decided our sugar and rice producers in the US were important than a whole nation of people.

Corny you are so full of it that you should have your head used for a boat anchor. Haiti has always been the poorest, most dangerous, etc. country in the Western Hemisphere.

It has been a pile of dung since the slave revolt back in the late 18th Century. They have been starving and living off aid from the US and Western Europe since the early 19th Century. It never has been sustainable since it gained independence when all the Whites were murdered down to the last child during the revolt in the former French Colony.

I read a book describing the whole sordid affair. All the hurricane did was reorganize the rubble in the former French colony. Haiti was the richest country in all of Americas prior to the revolt. It was by far the riches colony France had. It was all destroyed after that and has never done anything for itself. The population has depended on foreign aid to feed itself.

You should go down there and see for your self. My son went there when he was in the 82nd to establish some "law and order" after another overthrow of government from papa doc's son. He saw it all first hand. Had to ride guard on the garbage truck going to the dump from his base. Once they dumped it the "natives" fought getting to it. This of course was well before the hurricane while Clinton was "in charge". Gees! Thank you, thank you very much

[Elfshadow]

In my view that statement is mostly not true. I'm surrounded by people of all beliefs that are in their own businesses and they hate what is going on yet there is no one to complain to that will do anything about it. Some large corporations and some wealthy people have an unfair and unbalanced influence over our elected official from the smallest to the largest forms of government.

And those folks are being pandered too at the cost of the American citizen, democrate or replublican and all that take up space between. The only difference I see is that replublicans know it and thos democrates that support obama do so because they rely on payment from the government in some way.

I'm tired of the taxation and the fees that are constantly put on me and my business friends by local, state and the federal government. I remember when I would work with about 2% of my time devoted to necessary government paperwork. Now it's more like 20% with most of the people telling me what to do don't know a thing about this business.

It's not about replublicans or democrates. It's about our country, yours and mine. And we, all of us, need to stop the enemies of this country. As of this date that is impossible simply because 99% of the enemies of this country are being supported by and live by this soon-to-be central government.

I'm not talking about small business or even small US based corporations but large multinationals. These are the ones that are being propped up.

The paperwork your talking about and other regulatory burdens are much smaller for your larger competitors simply because they have larger resources. What your describing is exactly what I'm talking about. The problem though is that anyone that tries to complain about the larger companies gets attacked as if we are going after smaller ones.

[Elfshadow]

Corny you are so full of it that you should have your head used for a boat anchor. Haiti has always been the poorest, most dangerous, etc. country in the Western Hemisphere.

It has been a pile of dung since the slave revolt back in the late 18th Century. They have been starving and living off aid from the US and Western Europe since the early 19th Century. It never has been sustainable since it gained independence when all the Whites were murdered down to the last child during the revolt in the former French Colony.

I read a book describing the whole sordid affair. All the hurricane did was reorganize the rubble in the former French colony. Haiti was the richest country in all of Americas prior to the revolt. It was by far the riches colony France had. It was all destroyed after that and has never done anything for itself. The population has depended on foreign aid to feed itself.

You should go down there and see for your self. My son went there when he was in the 82nd to establish some "law and order" after another overthrow of government from papa doc's son. He saw it all first hand. Had to ride guard on the garbage truck going to the dump from his base. Once they dumped it the "natives" fought getting to it. This of course was well before the hurricane while Clinton was "in charge". Gees! Thank you, thank you very much

I would take this with a grain of salt but it is an interesting read.

https://www.commondreams.org/view/2010/01/17-6

http://www.timesdispatch.com/news/a-...84f949786.html
A good read as well.

[glennac]

Wow is all I can say after reading 2 to 5 pages bacj of this thread. Never seen so many on one thread in this forum espousing socialist and or Marxist beliefs yet, around 5 or so. Thank you, thank you very

[DeltaT]

I'm not talking about small business or even small US based corporations but large multinationals. These are the ones that are being propped up.

The paperwork your talking about and other regulatory burdens are much smaller for your larger competitors simply because they have larger resources. What your describing is exactly what I'm talking about. The problem though is that anyone that tries to complain about the larger companies gets attacked as if we are going after smaller ones.

I think that's what I said. Maybe I didn't splain it right.

Anyway, throwing the baby out with the wash is going to be a mistake as a lot of folks want to throw away a lot of stuff and reinvent the wheel.

The design of our wheel is just fine. It just need realignment back to where it works and not have a monster who believes in a square wheel driving it.

[Elfshadow]

Wow is all I can say after reading the last 4 or 5 pages of this thread. Never seen so many on one thread in this forum espousing socialist, Marxist and or commie beliefs yet. Counted around 5 or so. Thank you, thank you very much

Having a different opinion does not mean ones opinion is socialist or Marxist. I for one believe much more strongly in capitalism and true free markets then government controls because I believe that you can't trust anyone with that sort of power.

[Elfshadow]

I think that's what I said. Maybe I didn't splain it right.

Anyway, throwing the baby out with the wash is going to be a mistake as a lot of folks want to throw away a lot of stuff and reinvent the wheel.

The design of our wheel is just fine. It just need realignment back to where it works and not have a monster who believes in a square wheel driving it.

Question. Did you believe the same thing about the Bush administration as you do about the Obama administration? I see both as big government corrupt administrations that you can't really tell the difference between.

[syndicated]

Having a different opinion does not mean ones opinion is socialist or Marxist. I for one believe much more strongly in capitalism and true free markets then government controls because I believe that you can't trust anyone with that sort of power.

With glennac, it does.

[glennac]

I would take this with a grain of salt but it is an interesting read.

https://www.commondreams.org/view/2010/01/17-6

http://www.timesdispatch.com/news/a-...84f949786.html
A good read as well.

Funny Elf your first link "Common Dreams" has "Building Progressive Community" written under the title on the front page and it tells prospective writers that to be considered they should "Offer a unique progressive perspective". Even a naive dork can see that this "progressive" site pushes the Marxist agenda. IMHO.

On another note Haiti prior to the slave revolt produce 60% of the world's coffee and 40% of the world's sugar and indeed was the most profitable colony in the Americas. Now it is and has been the poorest country in the Western Hemisphere. Thank you, thank you very much