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  1. #92
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    It was actually a good post. It gave me the creeps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeltaT View Post
    Interesting observation. But in both cases the two forms of subject both were in the process of failing from implosion. Germany still exists in name only but what Germany represented in the late twentys to the mid 40's has, for the most part, destructed upon it's own ignorance.
    Rome fell for whatever reason in a state of decline, but Germany was in a state of growth and fame 1920-40. Quite different. Not arguing, I am perfectly puzzled.
    "You boys are really making this thing harder than it has to be". Me

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tool-Slinger View Post
    Rome fell for whatever reason in a state of decline, but Germany was in a state of growth and fame 1920-40. Quite different. Not arguing, I am perfectly puzzled.
    Germany, was not in true growth at the time stated, it growth was restricted after the great war, one of the reason Hiltler came to power was the weakness of the German puppet govt.
    On one of your other points, it is fundamental that all can not succeed, regardless of the personal and situation desire. Best example, is sport, you can only have one winner, so you must pay the loser (even though he does all he can to be a winner), otherwise you have no sport. So in life the same exists, we have to promote success "capitalism", and pay the looser. "Socialism", the art is finding the balance, which will always be a moving goal post!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by barbar View Post
    Germany, was not in true growth at the time stated, it growth was restricted after the great war, one of the reason Hiltler came to power was the weakness of the German puppet govt.
    On one of your other points, it is fundamental that all can not succeed, regardless of the personal and situation desire. Best example, is sport, you can only have one winner, so you must pay the loser (even though he does all he can to be a winner), otherwise you have no sport. So in life the same exists, we have to promote success "capitalism", and pay the looser. "Socialism", the art is finding the balance, which will always be a moving goal post!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    That's correct. Germany was economically in very bad shape and owed other countries billions of dollars in goods as a repayment for WW1.. Hitler was seen by most as the salvation of Germany. Most people did not see what he was actually delivering to them. Some did have the foresight and attempted to warn others. All the necessary signs were present.

    Sound familar?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tool-Slinger View Post
    I think you guys should stop complaining. I understand how bad it sucks when you are in debt and the job has zero potential, my life story, work to pay bills and make someone else rich. It truly sucks, but then you get your break, our system of government and economic regulation provides this break. You can land a great job or start your own business or marry an ugly rich widow.

    The paths to personal success in the USA are unlimited. The narrow path to failure is socialism/marxism/communism. Raping the rich will not help you pull yourself out of the mud you are wallowing in. You are going to have to pull yourself up by your bootstraps and become "a man in charge of his own destiny". You will not accomplish this with a jealous eye on others, certainly not corporate executives that consider you little more than an ant, you will have to do this for yourself. Expect no help, but love them dearly if you get it.

    It's your life, your job, your problem, and not mine. I do not want my nation screwed up by some folks who are pizzed off about their job. Bunch of whiners.
    Y'all complain about socialism and welfare but seem completely fine with corporate welfare and the largest companies being propped up by government. I see the majority of republicans to be as much socialist as the democrats with just slightly different view of what you want socialized.

    You don't want your nation screwed up but the way I see it is that those unlimited paths have been destroyed by the actions of the generations preceding mine. Might wanna look in the mirror before calling others whiners. It's your problem if you don't like the changes coming, because they will come. The conditions that existed before the 08 collapse still exist and have actually gotten worse.

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    By the way I was not whining about my job just illustrating that what was being said was correct.

    I want to learn more to make my time more valuable to both me and my company, my company would like to keep paying me the rate they are. Both interests are understandable and just the way they are with our current overly regulated economy and stupid free trade deals. I will make my own opportunities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by energy star View Post
    Yes, I'm aware of that. Point is, it's been on an upward movement since that date.
    It was on an upwards movement right before in imploded before 2008 to, it's not a good indicator of the economy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfshadow View Post
    By the way I was not whining about my job just illustrating that what was being said was correct.

    I want to learn more to make my time more valuable to both me and my company, my company would like to keep paying me the rate they are. Both interests are understandable and just the way they are with our current overly regulated economy and stupid free trade deals. I will make my own opportunities.
    Free trade deals, USA is one of the most difficult markets to Export to, so as an Exporter, not that free, and is historically the USA is anti capitalistic on true free trade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by barbar View Post
    Free trade deals, USA is one of the most difficult markets to Export to, so as an Exporter, not that free, and is historically the USA is anti capitalistic on true free trade.
    Oh I know. in the 1700-1800 the US was subsidising factories to allow them to compete with those in Britain. I'm actually a proponent of real free trade. AKA the government gets out of businesses way and allows them to trade with all other nations equally. The free trade deals we have are anything but. We also suffer to the dollar holding reserve currency status. The dollar is literally worth more overseas is one of the main reasons it is so much cheaper to produce over there. I did a fair amount of research on this when I was going to college for programming. A programmer in India has the say standard of living as a program in the USA but was making less then a third of the money.

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    We destroyed Haiti..... they were once a pretty decent country till we decided our sugar and rice producers in the US were important than a whole nation of people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfshadow View Post
    Y'all complain about socialism and welfare but seem completely fine with corporate welfare and the largest companies being propped up by government. I see the majority of republicans to be as much socialist as the democrats with just slightly different view of what you want socialized.

    You don't want your nation screwed up but the way I see it is that those unlimited paths have been destroyed by the actions of the generations preceding mine. Might wanna look in the mirror before calling others whiners. It's your problem if you don't like the changes coming, because they will come. The conditions that existed before the 08 collapse still exist and have actually gotten worse.
    If you hate your job, it is really not my problem. There are other good jobs out there, but the market is really rough right now. Obama has created a jobs crisis, I would wait it out for 4 more years and see what happens. You should feel lucky to have ANY job, lots of folks are unemployed now and have NOTHING.

    Obama bails out rich corporations like GM, then screws the little man with the Obamacare tax. This president is not helping the poor, he is making them poorer, and so far I do not like the CHANGE you people keep chanting. I am sick of your marxism, I don't want it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by corny View Post
    We destroyed Haiti..... they were once a pretty decent country till we decided our sugar and rice producers in the US were important than a whole nation of people.
    The same thing can be said about the embargo of Cuba. We have taxed imported cane sugar through the roof while placing an embargo on what was once the largest supplier of it in the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfshadow View Post
    By the way I was not whining about my job just illustrating that what was being said was correct.

    I want to learn more to make my time more valuable to both me and my company, my company would like to keep paying me the rate they are. Both interests are understandable and just the way they are with our current overly regulated economy and stupid free trade deals. I will make my own opportunities.
    Then you are a man of honor and courage. I apologize in my earlier post having misunderstood you.
    "You boys are really making this thing harder than it has to be". Me

    "Who ARE you people? And WHAT are you doing in my SWAMP!?" Shrek

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