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Thread: Destruction of the US or not?
02-19-2013, 09:09 PM #40
02-19-2013, 10:10 PM #41
02-19-2013, 10:20 PM #42Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference. Mark Twain
02-19-2013, 10:49 PM #43
Your points are obviously valid. But these things all happened gradually over time. Peoples life span has increased slowly the government has paid out more over time. The solution is to gradually reverse the process. The government has to not only be involved but has to take the lead. Raise the retirement age, decrease benefits to people who are in higher income brackets. These may not be easy choices but are necessay to avoid bigger problems down the road. Entitlement reform is the elephant in the room.
02-20-2013, 02:08 AM #44
My great grandfather passed away Friday, he was 88 years old and a WWII veteran, we have all spent the past four days listening and telling stories of his and our lives. The most inspirational stories to me were those told by his son....of how they had it back when he was a boy. The struggle people had back then was so intense... but they act like it wasn't so bad.
I was an 80's baby, my parents struggled, most nights it was beans or Mac n cheese with tuna for supper...we didn't have new cars or new clothes. The first house my parents ever owned they bought very cheap, and it was entirely gutted... no floors, no drywall, the plumbing was bad. We all worked on that house for years, until I was 15...my mom completed nursing school and landed a high paying job. Life became so easy and I feel that it may have spoiled me a bit....but I'll always remember the hard times, and oddly enough those were also the best times.
02-20-2013, 06:07 AM #45Professional Member
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I don't think the problem is credit. We had credit long before we ever had these problems. The problems start when your currency is based on debt. Because our currency is backed on nothing it allows the government to inflate the money supply at will allowing them to spend as they wish. The problem with this is that it decreases the spending power on the population while also allowing bubbles due to easy credit because the banking system knows that all the money they are lending will be worth less tomorrow when the collect then today when they loan. At the same time savings are discouraged because if you don't spend it now it will not buy as much tomorrow.
The problem is not government or business but government and business working hand in hand together. The path this nation is walking is the classic path of good intentions.
02-20-2013, 09:34 AM #46
The tea party, for all it's faults, at least tapped into a little bit of that energy - yes, it went astray quite quickly, and most tea party members were seduced back to typical party politics by those in political power - but it did show that there is SOME public force out there that realizes that the WAY we govern today is wrong. I honestly feel that if only 2-3 libertarians got elected to congress, that would be a tipping point that would start the decline of the two sided, single party system in place today - because it would start to bring in some REAL opposing voices, and not just the party mouthpieces.
02-20-2013, 02:38 PM #47
But that is a failure of our Federal, State and local governments which are there to represent us, the people and not to benefit a few large coporations at the expense of the people.
As a small businessman I noticed that my costs were going through the roof about 20 or so years ago. Making money was still fairly simple but keeping it was impossible due to fees, taxes and other made up categories as presented to me by the State, local and Federal government each year. And I found I had absolutely no protection against them.
Yet while I was and am being nickled and dimed to death some large corporations were and are expanding their wealth and power on my back and money. The tax code in itself gives exemptions to large corporations while taxing small business into vapor. And that is still true.
I have found the biggest enemy I have to my business is the Federal Government, The Washington State Government and some local governments. You would think the economy is my biggest problem. It isn't. It's the hands that are continually in my pocket run by special interest groups who now and have been running these governments.
And there is one common factor in all these governments......and you can figure that part out yourself. If you can't then I sure can't get you to see it.
More later."The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers it can bribe the public with the public's own money.
- Alexis de Toqueville, 1835
02-20-2013, 06:20 PM #48
How is google doing it? New, great company to work for.
02-20-2013, 06:36 PM #49
02-20-2013, 07:18 PM #50If we had bacon we could have bacon and eggs......if we had eggs.
02-20-2013, 09:03 PM #51
02-20-2013, 09:22 PM #52