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  1. #14
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    Quote Originally Posted by AC5096 View Post
    Time to break out the halide leak detector.
    Hahaha good one! Guess I can leak check like with gas line... with a bic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oled64 View Post
    I have used r22a in three unit in summer 2012. Just to test it. It is propane,but it works. Can not be mixed. Use 1oz 22a for 2 1/2 of r22. Homeowner said his elec. bill was down by 30%. pressure about the same on low side and lower on the high side.
    I can't say I'm against it really. I just dont think any Joe schmoe should use it. Most people are stupid. I would just rather have equipment rated for it and know where it is. Might just be a lot better than 410A.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jdwendling View Post
    Was at the Farm store this afternoon( Rural King Supply) Large display set up with a video running promoting it. Do it yourself. Law suits waiting to happen. As far as I know Opening an A/C system requires certification. Thats screwing on a fitting opening the schrader. Going to be interesting ou there. Be SAFE.
    Nice video isn't it. I scratched my head and watched it again. I never knew this stuff was so easy.

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    [QUOTE=Freightshaker;15218821]I would just rather have equipment rated for it and know where it is.

    We have furnaces rated for propane.Should I tell you how many homes have blown up?

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    "Non-Toxic, Non-Carcinogen - No Long Term health Risks"..... Does this include health risks due to explosions. Notice they can't say non flammable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jdwendling View Post
    As far as I know Opening an A/C system requires certification.
    Only on CFC and HCFC refrigerants. HFC, and FC refrigerants don't require EPA certification. Thats why anyone can buy R134A or R410A.
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    It's a R22 replacement. HCFC
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    Quote Originally Posted by jdwendling View Post
    It's a R22 replacement. HCFC
    So its already subject to phase down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jdwendling View Post
    It's a R22 replacement. HCFC
    No, just HC, no FC

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    As of July 9, 2014 they are still selling Frost 22a at Rural King

    Other sellers on ebay of a brand called Frostycool 22a says:

    Attention United States Customers:

    Do Not order 22a products if the intended use is in a Central Residential or Central Commercial Air Conditioning System. Allowable uses can be determined by reviewing the regulations below or visiting the E.P.A website. In the United States the E.P.A. (Environmental Protection Agency) regulations state that it is illegal to use any hydrocarbon refrigerant and/or FrostyCool 22a refrigerant in a Central Residential or Central Commercial Air Conditioning System. FrostyCool 22a will be discontinued and not available for Sale in the United States as of July 31, 2014.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freightshaker View Post
    Local huge farm store runs frontpage addin their flyer. Great big

    "Why Switch from the Traditional R22 Refrigerants
    Do it Yourself!
    No license Required
    Use up to 40% less
    Lower operating costs
    Less heaed pressure, extremely efficient
    Non-ozone depleting product
    Non-Toxic, Non-Carcinogen - No Long Term health Risks
    Compatible with Mineral & Synthetic (Ester & Pag) Lubricants
    Proven Results
    Classified as Pharmaceutical Grade
    Government phasing out traditional R22
    Made in USA
    Equivalent to 30 lbs of HCFC R22"
    ###############
    Awesome huh. now we are getting emails from our safety. Now our resi guys have to question homeowners. I'm sure light commercial will be running rampant with this stuff. Light commercial seems to produce the most hackery around here. I bet they were loading skids into beatup pickups.
    They were bold enough to advertise directly to consumer as a handy DIY problem solver product with the expectation that they do not possess expertise.

    While I'm no legal expert, I think there's a case for property damage claim when the manufacturer and vendor knew or should have known it will cause damage, but did not disclose it. Those fuel line magnet thing is a waste of money, ineffective but mostly harmless and easy to undo. Using hydrocarbon based consumer refrigerant product can make a system that worked ok but possibly low on charge into a code violation that is no longer fit for use until the violation is corrected.

    If adding Frost 22a cause the system to become a violation of IMC 1104.3.2 and no longer legal to operate, I'd think that the cost of professional assistance needed to reverse the violation to make it legal is a valid damage claim.

    Maybe you can add it, but since venting exemption on HC does not extend to non SNAP approved substitutes, the proper removal of 22a requires professional service.

    Unlike someone who goes against common good judgment and do things like adding Blue Rhino ito his A/C, this type of product mislead the consumer about the hazards and enticed them into doing something illegal.

    when some fool adds barbecue propane into his A/C system, nobody trickled him into it and its common knowledge that danger extremely flammable fuel gas burns. "natural environmentally friendly 2nd generation hydrocarbon high efficiency refrigerant" is not common sense knowledge of extreme flammability.

    If auto parts store blasted an ad for horsepower boost kit consisting of a metal pipe, a saw zall jig, clamps and an instruction manual detailing how to chop the round thing with some ceramic sponge thing in it and replace it with the pipe in the kit, I'd say there's a good chance the parts shop/kit manufacturer is liable for the repair cost to bring that vehicle legal again. it's not hard to prove doing exactly as said in instructions caused the damage.

    IMC is nationally recognized and adopted by most states. It is not some unusual ordinance used by very few towns.
    Beer can cold bandit stoled my superheat.

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    Since I have a freon detector and combustible gas leak detector Im ready to work on these units

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    Quote Originally Posted by jnaas2 View Post
    Since I have a freon detector and combustible gas leak detector Im ready to work on these units
    The only units legally using flammable refrigerants are certain SMALL domestic and commercial refrigeration units that came from the factory as such. Otherwise, if you happen to discover any equipment NOT designed for these flammable refrigerants, but discover that someone put some in it, I advise not touching it. NO HVAC units are LEGAL with that stuff in them.

    Certification training can be gotten from RSES and manufacturers of the LEGAL HC-based refrigeration units.

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