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    This thing has gotten smaller and less expensive, but still....WOW $4k. :(

    If more government is the answer, then it's a really stupid question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mark beiser View Post
    No read out---must be the Ray Charles model.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hvac5646 View Post
    No read out---must be the Ray Charles model.
    The readings are transmitted live to the PDA that comes with it.
    If more government is the answer, then it's a really stupid question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mark beiser View Post
    The readings are transmitted live to the PDA that comes with it.
    I know that..was just having a little fun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hvac5646 View Post
    I know that..was just having a little fun.
    It does look funky.

    There have been several configurations of it over the years, at least 2 while Honeywell was associated with it.
    https://customer.honeywell.com/en-US...atpath=1.3.39#

    https://buildingsolutions.honeywell....e6ffba7969.pdf

    If I remember correctly, at one point is was well over $10,000, possibly over $15k, for the equipment, training, and support, and you didn't even own the tool.
    If more government is the answer, then it's a really stupid question.

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    If we all band together we can cut the price by $1000 !!

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    Still setting one of these system. Its just rotting on the shelf. Old Honeywell deal with the POS laptop, bags of duct blaster type units, etc. I think new with support back in the day was more closer to $20,000 dollars. Was at an auction for an old HVAC shop in Vegas and picked this up. Looks cool, but just came along with what I really wanted...$50,000 worth of shop stock and tools.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slctech View Post
    I think new with support back in the day was more closer to $20,000 dollars.
    Soo, have you checked to see if the instrument "rotting on the shelf" it works?

    I think you are right about that $20k price tag back when it first rolled out.
    One of the cooler aspects of it is that the software, either on the PDA, or on the remote server, had a data base of package unit model numbers, and their compressor model numbers and performance data. Based on the readings taken, the actual capacity and efficiency the compressor was operating at was calculated, which is how it came up with the numbers to determine the potential energy savings of recommended repairs/maintenance.

    I don't think they ever made a serious attempt to build a data base for residential equipment. No doubt it is because there is little to no market for a $20k, or even a $4k instrument in the residential world.
    If more government is the answer, then it's a really stupid question.

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    way over priced for the limited(IMO) functions.. if this had some sort of Charge assist with it and a full set of micron/vac for moisture detection and wa made of gold it would be worth 3k maybe but way over priced for something done with Digital Manifold gauges and few other tools for 1k or under we all pretty much own already..

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    Quote Originally Posted by acguytx View Post
    way over priced for the limited(IMO) functions.. if this had some sort of Charge assist with it and a full set of micron/vac for moisture detection and wa made of gold it would be worth 3k maybe but way over priced for something done with Digital Manifold gauges and few other tools for 1k or under we all pretty much own already..
    The high price is for more than just the hardware.
    A lot of the price for the setup is to cover the back end software, unit/compressor performance database, etc., required for the system to generate accurate efficiency/capacity reports, projected savings for completing recommended repairs/maintenance, and verifying the results.
    Someone primarily doing residential and light commercial work wouldn't be able to take advantage of most of those functions. That is why it has always been very high on my "Cool Tool" list, but isn't on my wish list.

    While it is very expensive, it is within reason for the market it is targeted for.
    10ish years ago, when Honeywell was associated with it, the earlier generation of it cost upwards of $20k for the total equipment, training, and support package.
    If more government is the answer, then it's a really stupid question.

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    That pda looks like a device I had . . . 7 years ago lol

    Sent from my SGH-T999 using Tapatalk 2

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    I didn't even pay that much for my BMW coupe!
    "The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers it can bribe the public with the public's own money.
    - Alexis de Toqueville, 1835

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