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  1. #14
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian GC View Post
    I’ve seen that video before. What he leaves out is the vast majority of home burglars could not penetrate a cheap $500 gunsafe that is bolted to the wall. So what he is selling is designed more for commercial applications that attract professional burglars that are going after the big booty. Very similar to buying a Lamborghini that you will never take over 100mph.

    So if you are leaving a gun outside your safe when you are not home it is essentially there for the taking…making it one more gun to hit the black market and kill some innocent person. If we could just start a campaign of guilt on those people that do that. But hey, I need my gun in my nightstand for that probably never in a lifetime chance of needing it. And what the heck, it’s only a $1,000 loss if stolen, and it isn’t my gun that killed that guy, it was the criminal that did it.

    What's funny is that you still think that think that they have to tip over one of these to pry one open. Of course you still apparently think they bolt them to walls.

    Oh I approve in the use of gun safes, but thinking they will stop someone who wants to get into it is folly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by qwerty hvac View Post
    I would love to know where you get your burglary info. With today's portable tools you can get through some thick metal pretty fast.


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    Sure those tools exist. But what percentage of residential burglars carry them with them and have the skills and time to use them? That was my point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian GC View Post
    Sure those tools exist. But what percentage of residential burglars carry them with them and have the skills and time to use them? That was my point.
    In that video he had two safes that were penetrated with such tools. It happens a lot more then you think. It is true that if someone wants to get it they will find a way but wouldn't you want to make it as hard as you could for them?


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    Seen a few videos here where I wanted my 15 minutes back, found this one worth every minute. guess I don't have too much to worry about my safe, went 3/8" steel on the door and 1/4" on the walls for a box 1/3rd the size of theirs. Doubt anyone will be prying it open. Cutting would really be the only option but the alarm would discourage anyone from sticking around long enough to do it. I really should put a light in it though. With the LED lighting now days a door switch and a couple of batteries seems like a good idea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by qwerty hvac View Post
    In that video he had two safes that were penetrated with such tools. It happens a lot more then you think. It is true that if someone wants to get it they will find a way but wouldn't you want to make it as hard as you could for them?
    Maybe if I stored a few hundred thousand in it and people knew what was in there. But I wouldn’t spend several thousand more just to deter 5% of criminals that probably have bigger fish to fry.

    When I hear salespeople using fear tactics and omitting certain information I have no use for them after that.

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    Id throw a midget into a woodchipper for a pizza right now....... that or... some bisquits and gravy...sausage gravy.... a couple of fried eggs..sunny side up... a bowl of grits....some sausage.....some bacon......and a couple of pieces of toast that have had just a little bit of miracle whip salad spread spread on them..... and a fresh sliced tomato...... and some coffee.
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    Quote Originally Posted by corny View Post
    Id throw a midget into a woodchipper for a pizza right now....... that or... some bisquits and gravy...sausage gravy.... a couple of fried eggs..sunny side up... a bowl of grits....some sausage.....some bacon......and a couple of pieces of toast that have had just a little bit of miracle whip salad spread spread on them..... and a fresh sliced tomato...... and some coffee.
    What kind of moronic jibberish is this?

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    I guess the point I was trying to get across was that I was starving........ hungry...... didnt eat supper last night cause I had to work on site yesterday and a lot of the time was standing up on a platform looking at an mua.... in the cold wind...outside... and was hurting so bad last night when I got home that I had to go straight to bed.

    Dont worry bama.... Im not trying to "bate"....lol.....someone......lol
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    Spent a bit of time safe shopping the other day.

    Looked at the little safes. I call 'em gift boxes. They're light and easy to grab. Made of cheap, thin metal. I could probably make them difficult to remove from something if I took all day to reinforce and mount the device. Without that, it would take a determined person about 10 seconds to remove it.

    The design places 2 keyhole slots low in the safe where you cannot reach the fastener to tighten it and 2 standard holes high in the safe.

    This induces an engineered "looseness" to the mounting of the safe, making it easy to get a bite on it with a prying tool.

    At present, I'm designing and planning a safe room where I can store my guns, ammunition and reloading equipment.

    I may buy a "gift box" safe for bed side use, but they're expensive for the crap that they really are.

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    I have 2 of these and I love them: http://www.libertysafe.com/safe-fran...afes-ps-6.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by jpsmith1cm View Post
    The design places 2 keyhole slots low in the safe where you cannot reach the fastener to tighten it and 2 standard holes high in the safe.

    This induces an engineered "looseness" to the mounting of the safe, making it easy to get a bite on it with a prying tool.
    No six foot pry bar could pull a 3 1/2” lag bolt from a stud, especially when you are prying against drywall, plaster or wood. You’d have to cut the studs with a Sawz-All or unscrew it.

    Any contractor should be able to securely mount it in 30 minutes or less.

    BTW – Good going for shopping for a gunsafe. Spread the word amongst your comrades.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian GC View Post

    No six foot pry bar could pull a 3 1/2” lag bolt from a stud, especially when you are prying against drywall, plaster or wood. You’d have to cut the studs with a Sawz-All or unscrew it.

    Any contractor should be able to securely mount it in 30 minutes or less.

    BTW – Good going for shopping for a gunsafe. Spread the word amongst your comrades.
    You won't install a 3 1/2" lag bolt on one of those little safes, Brian, and if you found one small enough to fit the keyhole, I'd be able to break it with my bare hands.


    Go look at one rather than criticizing people.


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    Plus, the distance on centers of the mounting holes is only about 6-8 inches.

    So, you're catching ONE stud at best unless the entire wall is re-done.

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