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    Roy, that was a nice post you made. We are all shaped by our life experiences. I have not seen anything in my fifty years that makes me feel the need to walks around with a gun. I have no desire to see your right to carry a gun revoked. If my life experiences made me feel the need to own a gun, Id get one regardless of what the law was.

    I can understand people wanting to carry a gun to protect themselves from lawless individuals. What I cant understand is the people that think the goverment is planning on whupping up on them, and they are making guns illegal so it will be easy to whup up on them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeltaT View Post
    I'd just hate to be cop or in the military and have orders to stop in whatever means citizens protesting a point that I also believed in.

    I believe that is a article in one of our government documents that also requires a protector of the law to not follow orders if they believe that order to be wrong. That is what keeps us a civil society.
    We are having protests, blockades, all kinds of action by natives who are mad at the government. A judge issued a couple injunctions saying that if the protestors block rail lines that they will be arrested. Police did not arrest them when they did, debatable if it was the right decision or not. So what is the rule of law if it is not enforced? When you sign up to uphold the laws do you get to choose which ones you want to uphold?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigtime View Post
    Roy, that was a nice post you made. We are all shaped by our life experiences. I have not seen anything in my fifty years that makes me feel the need to walks around with a gun. I have no desire to see your right to carry a gun revoked. If my life experiences made me feel the need to own a gun, Id get one regardless of what the law was.

    I can understand people wanting to carry a gun to protect themselves from lawless individuals. What I cant understand is the people that think the goverment is planning on whupping up on them, and they are making guns illegal so it will be easy to whup up on them.
    Hmmm... not picking or fussing... just a thought:

    Can you understand the way Adolf Hitler lied to the German people, collected their guns, and the mess that happened afterwards?
    If so... can you track History and see this pattern of behavior has been repeated by smooth-talking polecats sooo many times it sounds like a broken record?

    Might want to study that a bit... what you find may alarm you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ga-hvac-tech View Post
    Hmmm... not picking or fussing... just a thought:

    Can you understand the way Adolf Hitler lied to the German people, collected their guns, and the mess that happened afterwards?
    If so... can you track History and see this pattern of behavior has been repeated by smooth-talking polecats sooo many times it sounds like a broken record?

    Might want to study that a bit... what you find may alarm you.
    But the German and American people are different and times are different also. Back then you did not really question the authorities and the people were generally in favor of Hitler's actions. Heck, look toward the Middle East and the fall of governments that wielded much more power than Hitler did. Different world today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by printer2 View Post
    But the German and American people are different and times are different also. Back then you did not really question the authorities and the people were generally in favor of Hitler's actions. Heck, look toward the Middle East and the fall of governments that wielded much more power than Hitler did. Different world today.
    Not so different as you might think, once a government starts playing one group against another as ours is WATCH OUT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by printer2 View Post
    But the German and American people are different and times are different also. Back then you did not really question the authorities and the people were generally in favor of Hitler's actions. Heck, look toward the Middle East and the fall of governments that wielded much more power than Hitler did. Different world today.
    Everyday makes a different world. But the principal of human action and the cause and effect have not changed one bit. The prinicipal of divide and conquer were in effect in the apple orchard between Adam & Eve. Just ask the serpent.

    The principal of dumming down the general public is still in the works. Ask in any part of history during any crisis where the public had their liberties taken away from them and you will find the same principals in effect.

    Hitler was voted into office by a public hurting after WWI and who did not want to take responsibility for their own situations so Hitler worked on their laziness by getting them to focus on blaming groups of "the other" types of people. And that opened the door to his agenda being minupulated on all the people including the ones he led to belive that he would protect and make them the "superior race".

    The Japanese dictators did the same thing. They had absolute control, both physical and mental, over the Japanese citizens. No one, not one Japanese citizen could or dared question the ruler(s) or they could and did experience immediate on the spot extermination.

    History is full of the exact same examples of men and women who looked like possesed the qualities of leadership and who attracted the citizens while at the same time they worked their techniques to gain absolute power over those very same citizens.

    And the rest is history.

    Everything I see, this monster we have in the big house exemplifies all of these character disorders and techniques.

    Whether in the 1600's or the 2000's in years, the techniques are exactly the same.
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    We are living through the worst times America has ever seen. "Schools" no longer teach true history, drug the "overactive" students and brainwash them to the extent that they zealously act against their best interests as shown in their voting patterns. Evil politicians kill God in the eyes of men, steal God given rights and large portions of income. The most heinous thing and Americas death knell is their destroying of E pluribus unum. People always laughed at me when they told me America is the greatest country and I said not for long if we don't fight for it. It all starts with, THEY WOULDN'T DO THAT! Well now it's almost all done.
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    "The perfect Totalitarian State is one where the political bosses, and their army of managers, control a population of slaves, who do not have to be coerced, because they love their servitude"

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    It (video) sounds about right from my standpoint. The media is known socialist/facist and are like crickets when it comes to Obama.
    China is buying up natural resources at dizzying rates IE copper, so it makes sense that BO would try to shut coal mines down on environmental falsehoods so as to secure our interest with the Chinese. What next? Chinese drilling for oil on federal lands. I suspect soon there may be open season on Chinese, along with feral hogs. No limit. I have now labeled myself as a conciencious objector.
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    Quote Originally Posted by royc View Post
    What kind of socialist crap is that. Unwatchable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bb View Post
    What kind of socialist crap is that. Unwatchable.
    So you didn't rush out and get your forehead stamped after you watched that? I was waiting for the laugh track that never came
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    What kind of socialist crap is that. Unwatchable.
    Why do you think its socialistic ?? Is what is depiected in the video not true ?

    And if you claim its unwatchable, does that mean you didnt watch it all, and if so, how can you judge it to be such as you say.

    Do some critical thinking.

    Roy
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    Concerning Roy's video: While I am not convinced it was a conspiracy all the way back to the founders... however I DO think in the last few generations we have viable evidence of a conspiracy to control, manage, and herd the public.

    We (the public) need to understand there ARE folks out there who lie, cheat, and manipulate the public... and they ARE in govt. When we realize blindly trusting govt is NOT the way... we will start to heal.
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