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  1. #14
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    When did AMF buy Carrier?

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  2. #15
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    Quote Originally Posted by welling service View Post
    I have been using LuxPro stats for several years now and seeing more failures than I used to.
    We installed a Braeburn stat and right out of the box it would not output on "W" terminal. The Braeburn stat quit outputting on "W" terminal. I wished there was some way to charge the manufacturer with this service call.
    I hate charging the customer. It is not his fault nor is it mine.
    the easy way is to use a quality product and in my experience neither of these are.

    If I see either of these mfr stats in a house I note it and inform customer they got what they paid for.

    with the exception of the new T87, I cannot remember an issue with a HW stat after initial install in the last 6 years. there have been the occasional out of the box issues and most of those are on the higher end units.
    The Food Stamp Program, administered by the U.S. Department of Agriculture, is proud to be distributing the greatest amount of free meals and stamps EVER.
    Meanwhile, the National Park Service, administered by the U.S. Department of the Interior, asks us to "Please Do Not Feed the Animals". Their stated reason for this policy "... the animals become dependent on handouts and will not learn to take care of themselves."
    from an excerpt by Paul Jacob in Sun City, AZ

  3. #16
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    Quote Originally Posted by cool-blew View Post
    We unwrapped a brand new carrier furnace, and found this.

    Attachment 350571

    The blower was separated from the mounts.
    I would call them and tell them thanks for being honest.

  4. #17
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    Not sure if this is legitimate or not, but I heard that chinese manufactured parts are only required to pass quality control at 57% (???)
    Whereas, here in the states it is more like 78%(???)
    Anyone have solid numbers on that?

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  5. #18
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    Trane really bad with there "Ignition Probe"
    New out of the box with hair line crack, so annoying.

  6. #19
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    Had a bad Chinese condenser fan motor bad right out of the box. Fired it up and the bearings sounded horrible. I gave it a few minutes to quiet down.......no luck. Can't charge a customer 4 hours to change a motor. Is this what it has come to?
    KX500......the original big green meanie

  7. #20
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    Whats not to love about Chinese capacitors nestled in soaked boxes leaking Yak fat right on the wholesaler's shelves. Talk about more warranty work than you can shake a stick at. Try as I might, getting stuff made in the USA is getting next to impossible.

  8. #21
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    I have had issues with braeburns as well I try to stick to honeywell now

  9. #22
    Quote Originally Posted by billg View Post
    Whats not to love about Chinese capacitors nestled in soaked boxes leaking Yak fat right on the wholesaler's shelves. Talk about more warranty work than you can shake a stick at. Try as I might, getting stuff made in the USA is getting next to impossible.
    Yep, about three years ago the newest parts house in the area was carrying Chinese POS caps under the name "Smart Electric" for a better than good price. We unfortunately installed quite a few and I am pretty sure that everyone of them went out within one year.

    A few more dollars for a quality capacitor is well worth every penny.

  10. #23
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    Quote Originally Posted by pacnw View Post
    the easy way is to use a quality product and in my experience neither of these are.

    If I see either of these mfr stats in a house I note it and inform customer they got what they paid for.

    with the exception of the new T87, I cannot remember an issue with a HW stat after initial install in the last 6 years. there have been the occasional out of the box issues and most of those are on the higher end units.

    I have nothing but issues with Honeywell thermostats. The only HW stat that doesn't have problems is the Focus Pro 8000 Touch screen which is the only one i stock and for customers that request that model. Honeywell product quality has just beenhe o declining and it doesn't look good.... Those round T87 are POS in my opinion. I've had nothing but problems and recalls whith those. I refuse to install Honeywell stats unless the customer strongly insists. I like Venstar and Carrier stats excluding the Edge model as of right now. I am not close minded to other brands but i do need to see them in action and inspect them.

    The other issue with Honeywell stats is that they sell them at Home Depot. This creates an issue when selling to customers and they try to compare pricing even know that models are different. Its not worth arguing at that point. I only sell brands that customer can't buy at local store. This eliminates pricing issues. I sell a service not parts.

  11. #24
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    Had a fan motor making noise. I found the inner race of the ball bearing turning on the shaft. That's because the bearing should have been a press fit instead of a clearance fit. That's just poor quality control.

  12. #25
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    You guys just need to use better parts!

    Cheap parts cost more than quality parts!
    It doesn't matter how good the supply house warranty is on a $5-10 part, just one warranty replacement costs us more than spending $1-3 more on a few dozen better quality parts.

    I can only remember ever having to replace one Mars brand heat sequencer that i installed for someone.(Not Mars2, other than the service disconnects, stay away from anything that has "Mars2" on it.)
    Only had issues with a couple of AmRad capacitors in the few years we have been using them exclusively.
    Other than a little flurry a couple of years ago, no issues with Honeywell Vision pro 8000 or Focus pro 5000 thermostats.

    I've never offered, nor will I ever offer, off brand thermostats, like Braeburn, Lux, etc..
    If more government is the answer, then it's a really stupid question.

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