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    hanoi jane...

    for you young guys who slept through history class.... oh yeah this probably wasnt taught.

    this is a copy/paste of an e-mail i got from an older friend who served at this time this attrocity was being commited. parts of the e-mail didnt come through but the gist is some idiot cast fonda for an actress to portray Nancy Reagan..............



    Be sure you forward it and when the movie comes do not go to see it. They have the nerve to make a movie with her, while Mrs. Reagan is still living!
    Jane Fonda is a traitor. She should not portray Nancy Reagan nor should we support her book.
    America, we must not forget!

    JANE FONDA NANCY REAGAN
    This cannot go around too much. Those of us that were living in those years will never forget that she was a traitor and did a lot of damage to our boys.

    She has now been chosen to play Nancy Reagan in her life story.
    I am sending this one out because so many do not know this truth...
    and also because she was on 3 times this week talking about her new book...
    And how good she feels in her 70's..still does not know what she did wrong her book just may not make the best list if more people knew...
    also...

    Barbara Walters said:
    Thank you all. Many died in Vietnam for our freedoms.
    I did not like Jane Fonda then and I don't like her now.

    She can lead her present life the way she wants and perhaps SHE can forget the past, but we DO NOT have to stand by without comment and see her "honored" as a "Woman of the Century."


    (I remember this well)

    For those who served and/or died. . .

    NEVER FORGIVE A TRAITOR. SHE REALLY WAS A TRAITOR!!

    and now President OBAMA wants to honor her......!!!!

    In Memory of LT. C.Thomsen Wieland who spent 100 days at the Hanoi Hilton [Famous North Vietnam Prison]

    IF YOU NEVER FORWARDED ANYTHING IN YOUR LIFE FORWARD THIS SO THAT EVERYONE WILL KNOW!!!!!!

    A TRAITOR IS ABOUT TO BE HONORED.
    KEEP THIS MOVING ACROSS AMERICA

    This is for all the kids born in the 70's and after who do not remember, and didn't have to bear the burden that our fathers, mothers and older brothers and sisters had to bear.

    Jane Fonda is being honored as one of the '100 Women of the Century.'

    BARBARA WALTERS WRITES:
    Unfortunately, many have forgotten and still countless others have never known how Ms. Fonda betrayed not only the idea of our country, but specific men who served and sacrificed during the Vietnam War.

    The first part of this is from an F-4E pilot.
    The pilot's name is Jerry Driscoll, a River Rat.
    In 1968, the former Commandant of the USAF Survival School was a POW in Ho Lo Prison the ' Hanoi Hilton.'

    Dragged from a stinking cesspit of a cell, cleaned, fed, and dressed in clean PJ's, he was ordered to describe for a visiting American 'Peace Activist' the 'lenient and humane treatment' he'd received

    He spat at Ms. Fonda, was clubbed, and was dragged away. During the subsequent beating, he fell forward on to the camp Commandant 's feet, which sent that officer berserk.

    In 1978, the Air Force Colonel still suffered from double vision (which permanently ended his flying career) from the Commandant's frenzied application of a wooden baton.

    From 1963-65, Col. Larry Carrigan was in the 47FW/DO (F-4E's). He spent 6 years in the ' Hanoi Hilton'...the first three of which his family only knew he was 'missing in action'. His wife lived on faith that he was still alive. His group, too, got the cleaned-up, fed and clothed routine in preparation for a 'peace delegation' visit.

    They, however, had time and devised a plan to get word to the world that they were alive and still survived. Each man secreted a tiny piece of paper, with his Social Security Number on it, in the palm of his hand. When paraded before Ms. Fonda and a cameraman, she walked the line, shaking each man's hand and asking little encouraging snippets like: 'Aren't you sorry you bombed babies?' and 'Are you grateful for the humane treatment from your benevolent captors?' Believing this HAD to be an act, they each palmed her their sliver of paper.

    She took them all without missing a beat.. At the end of the line and once the camera stopped rolling, to the shocked disbelief of the POWs, she turned to the officer in charge and handed him all the little pieces of paper...

    Three men died from the subsequent beatings. Colonel Carrigan was almost number four but he survived, which is the only reason we know of her actions that day.

    I was a civilian economic development advisor in Vietnam , and was captured by the North Vietnamese communists in South Vietnam in 1968, and held prisoner for over 5 years.

    I spent 27 months in solitary confinement; one year in a cage in Cambodia ; and one year in a 'black box' in Hanoi . My North Vietnamese captors deliberately poisoned and murdered a female missionary, a nurse in a leprosarium in Banme Thuot , South Vietnam , whom I buried in the jungle near the Cambodian border. At one time, I weighed only about 90 lbs. (My normal weight is 170 lbs)

    We were Jane Fonda's 'war criminals....'

    When Jane Fonda was in Hanoi , I was asked by the camp communist political officer if I would be willing to meet with her. I said yes, for I wanted to tell her about the real treatment we POWs received... and how different it was from the treatment purported by the North Vietnamese, and parroted by her as 'humane and lenient.'

    Because of this, I spent three days on a rocky floor on my knees, with my arms outstretched with a large steel weight placed on my hands, and beaten with a bamboo cane.

    I had the opportunity to meet with Jane Fonda soon after I was released. I asked her if she would be willing to debate me on TV. She never did answer me.

    These first-hand experiences do not exemplify someone who should be honored as part of '100 Years of Great Women.' Lest we forget....' 100 Years of Great Women' should never include a traitor whose hands are covered with the blood of so many patriots.

    There are few things I have strong visceral reactions to, but Hanoi Jane's participation in blatant treason, is one of them. Please take the time to forward to as many people as you possibly can.. It will eventually end up on her computer and she needs to know that we will never forget.

    RONALD D. SAMPSON, CMSgt,
    USAF 716 Maintenance Squadron,
    Chief of Maintenance DSN: 875-6431 COMM: 883-6343


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    Glenn, is that you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by geerair View Post
    Glenn, is that you?

    Sure sounds like me but this time it isn't. Appreciate the thought there geerbot. Thank you, thank you very much
    "I could have ended the war in a month. I could have made North Vietnam look like a mud puddle."
    "I have little interest in streamlining government or in making it more efficient, for I mean to reduce its size. I do not undertake to promote welfare, for I propose to extend freedom. My aim is not to pass laws, but to repeal them. It is not to inaugurate new programs, but to cancel old ones that do violence to the Constitution."
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    Was kind of hoping she would make her "peace mission" at the same time the E-6 Intruders were making a friendly run to say hell-o at SAM city.
    FEN

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    http://www.snopes.com/military/fonda.asp

    Jerry Driscoll said he never met Fonda and that the e-mail story was Totally false". "It did not happen."


    Larry Carrigan about the slips of paper story: "Its a figment of somebody's imagination."

    Mike McGrath president of of Nam-POWS: "This particular internet story is a hoax."

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    I recall seeing a photo of j fonda, taken during the war, of her visiting a North Vietnamese anti-aircraft gun crew. She was wearing one of their helmets, sitting on the gunner's seat, and all of them, including her, with big smiles on their faces. I have several friends who are Viet Nam War vets, and all who talk about her despise her and consider her a traitor. Those are the only two things I feel I need to know to despise her and consider her a traitor myself.

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    While there is no doubt she is a traitor, my question is what DID she do that was good? Personally I can't think of a single thing.
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    While Fonda undoubtedly deserved a pick axe in the back for what she did. These emails are just as much an insult to the men and women who fought that war and any other war.

    Resending one is just like spitting in one of their faces...... but of course most dont see it that way...as long as their agenda is being gotten across.

    Can you imagine being one of the guys in that email who has begged people to stop sending the email around...and how these conservative bloggers and emailers have pretty much told him to F OFF..... "We have an agenda and if we have to drag you thru the mud to get it across we will do it"

    Nobody cares about vietnam vets..... they have become a tool for these bloggers and emailers who rehash these same stories every 5years or so knowing that their reader base is too unintelligent to remember the last time they were circulated.

    Thank you OP for spitting on our vets.....

    Pull the pick axe out of janes back and drive it into chief sampsons back.... he is just as low down as hanoi jane, that is...if he is an actual person.
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    Quote Originally Posted by corny View Post
    While Fonda undoubtedly deserved a pick axe in the back for what she did. These emails are just as much an insult to the men and women who fought that war and any other war.

    Resending one is just like spitting in one of their faces...... but of course most dont see it that way...as long as their agenda is being gotten across.

    Can you imagine being one of the guys in that email who has begged people to stop sending the email around...and how these conservative bloggers and emailers have pretty much told him to F OFF..... "We have an agenda and if we have to drag you thru the mud to get it across we will do it"

    Nobody cares about vietnam vets..... they have become a tool for these bloggers and emailers who rehash these same stories every 5years or so knowing that their reader base is too unintelligent to remember the last time they were circulated.

    Thank you OP for spitting on our vets.....

    Pull the pick axe out of janes back and drive it into chief sampsons back.... he is just as low down as hanoi jane, that is...if he is an actual person.

    Knew you would try to deflect criticism from the commie traitor Hanoi Jane by trashing those who call her a traitor. This is one Nam vet who will never defend her or trash anyone saying ill of that commie. You should be ashamed corny. Let's have some facts with links before you start your BS and then I will evaluate what you say with a grain of salt. Not that I would even criticize the emailer anyhow. Thank you, thank you very much
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    Quote Originally Posted by corny View Post
    While Fonda undoubtedly deserved a pick axe in the back for what she did. These emails are just as much an insult to the men and women who fought that war and any other war.

    Resending one is just like spitting in one of their faces...... but of course most dont see it that way...as long as their agenda is being gotten across.

    Can you imagine being one of the guys in that email who has begged people to stop sending the email around...and how these conservative bloggers and emailers have pretty much told him to F OFF..... "We have an agenda and if we have to drag you thru the mud to get it across we will do it"

    Nobody cares about vietnam vets..... they have become a tool for these bloggers and emailers who rehash these same stories every 5years or so knowing that their reader base is too unintelligent to remember the last time they were circulated.

    Thank you OP for spitting on our vets.....

    Pull the pick axe out of janes back and drive it into chief sampsons back.... he is just as low down as hanoi jane, that is...if he is an actual person.

    i dont have an agenda nor do i spit in any vets face. if thats how this came across to you im sorry.

    i was born in '61 and too young to fully understand all of what transpired. this was sent to me by a guy i know and trust.he's older than me and served at the time. from the bits and pieces ive heard before i have no love for fonda. this was the first time ive seen this particular e-mail.

    i knew this would ruffles some feathers but but only done to spark a conversation/debate so i could learn more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by glennac View Post
    Knew you would try to deflect criticism from the commie traitor Hanoi Jane by trashing those who call her a traitor. This is one Nam vet who will never defend her or trash anyone saying ill of that commie. You should be ashamed corny. Let's have some facts with links before you start your BS and then I will evaluate what you say with a grain of salt. Not that I would even criticize the emailer anyhow. Thank you, thank you very much
    I never defended hanoi jane glenn.... I even said she deserved a pick axe in the back......

    But... I also dont like to see good soldiers dragged into this political stuff.......being used like a tool for someone to try and further their agenda like this CMSGT in the email.

    These soldiers have even begged folks to quit posting those lies..... but folks who have a twisted political agenda just tell them to f off....and use their names and made up tales anyway...... and thats fing wrong.

    Isnt the truth of what Jane Fonda did bad enough ??? Why do people feel the need to add tainted icing on the cake and just ruin everything.

    I bet the chief had every one of fondas workout videos..... that is if the chief ever even exists.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by ch4man View Post
    i dont have an agenda nor do i spit in any vets face. if thats how this came across to you im sorry.

    i was born in '61 and too young to fully understand all of what transpired. this was sent to me by a guy i know and trust.he's older than me and served at the time. from the bits and pieces ive heard before i have no love for fonda. this was the first time ive seen this particular e-mail.

    i knew this would ruffles some feathers but but only done to spark a conversation/debate so i could learn more.
    yep.... most ... if not all of these pass along emails are full of misinformation..... folks are not satisfied with using the truth to get their agenda across....they must come up with lies and they also dont care what honorable person they drag thru the mud or insult....or hurt...to get their selfish message across....
    YOU SHALL REAP WHAT YOU HAVE _______ SOWN

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