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    Next refrigerant to replace 404a

    Anyone hearing any scuttlebut on this? Any info would be generously accepted, thanks!

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    Last I heard 404a was considered a long term refrigerant.

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    Of course they would get rid of it, it's a good widely used refrigerant. Only makes sense to get rid of it.

    On a serious note, I had heard some rumblings about that but I have no solid info.

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    [QUOTE=ryan1088;15051411]Of course they would get rid of it, it's a good widely used refrigerant. Only makes sense to get rid of it.


    Did the patent run out ? Oh ya that was DuPont sorry.

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    [QUOTE=VTP99;15051461]
    Quote Originally Posted by ryan1088 View Post
    Of course they would get rid of it, it's a good widely used refrigerant. Only makes sense to get rid of it.


    Did the patent run out ? Oh ya that was DuPont sorry.
    Or admit how toxic it is to the ozone...where have we heard that before? Ha!

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    I heard they are targeting it in Europe because it has a high GWP (global warming potential). I had the question posed by a produce warehouse customer who has an aging R22 skid that blew a 1 3/8 discharge vibrasorb this fall. Lost 1100 lbs of R22 and wasn't real happy. I am trying to sell him on R404A but he's afraid the same will happen as R22. I figure that about 6 months after I get him to install the R404A unit, the EPA will announce their terminate date. DuPont has a spy watching me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Helioson View Post
    Lost 1100 lbs of R22 and wasn't real happy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Helioson View Post
    I heard they are targeting it in Europe because it has a high GWP (global warming potential). I had the question posed by a produce warehouse customer who has an aging R22 skid that blew a 1 3/8 discharge vibrasorb this fall. Lost 1100 lbs of R22 and wasn't real happy. I am trying to sell him on R404A but he's afraid the same will happen as R22. I figure that about 6 months after I get him to install the R404A unit, the EPA will announce their terminate date. DuPont has a spy watching me.
    I've heard the same thing about it being phased out due to high GWP ratings a few months ago by a local supplier

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    Quote Originally Posted by mjm88 View Post
    I've heard the same thing about it being phased out due to high GWP ratings a few months ago by a local supplier
    If they come up with one more refrigerant for stock on my truck !!!!!!!!!

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    Haha we'll have to start pulling trailers

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    R407F is the future!

    I know people will tell ya it's 407A & 407C.

    But 407F is the bees knees.

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    404 does have a phase out date can't remember when it is , but when I get to my office I will post it....
    Isn't sanity just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean, all you get is that one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, well, the sky's the limit!

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    Yes r407f starting to be put into medium temp racks here .R407A ,C & F all made up of the same 3 gases just different percentages (R32,R125,R134A)

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