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    CO PPM in exaust on Bryant 350MAV

    Question. I ws on a Bryant 350MAV 90% furnace yesterday and the flames looked funny so I took a reading in the exhaust and it was 1392 PPM. Secondary heat exchanger is bad. Roll out switch was not tripped but the burner box was extremely hot. I had my own business in Minnesota and by code you are suppose to red tag furnace. So I called Bryant here in Indiana nd they told me as long a it is not entering into living area I should leave it on for them to have heat. Of course I was shocked about this and felt uncomortable but the other tech said to leave it on for them also. So I left it on even though I was uncomfortable with this. The other tech said since Bryant had a enclosed burner compartment and the inake was vented outside it was ok to leave furnace running.

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    Did you use a CO meter in the living space to make sure CO wasn't entering the living space.

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    Yes I did 0 PPM in living space.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrlighturfire View Post
    So I called Bryant here in Indiana nd they told me as long a it is not entering into living area I should leave it on for them to have heat.
    Is Bryant willing to supply you with a letter stating that 1394 ppm of CO is OK, and the unit is safe to operate? I doubt it.

    I would also have the home owner put in writing the fact that you want to red tag the unit until it is fixed, but they are authorizing you to leave it operating knowing the dangers.

    Even then, who knows what the lawyers would do, if anything happens.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rundawg View Post
    Is Bryant willing to supply you with a letter stating that 1394 ppm of CO is OK, and the unit is safe to operate? I doubt it.

    I would also have the home owner put in writing the fact that you want to red tag the unit until it is fixed, but they are authorizing you to leave it operating knowing the dangers.

    Even then, who knows what the lawyers would do, if anything happens.
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    I told the homeowner this and how I felt about this and of course homeowner had no CO detectors in the house. Bryant here in Indiana I am kinda fed up with them. I had a secondary plugged up couple weeks ago and they won't honor the warranty on a plugged secondary unless it is rusted out. They said you should have abulletin about this at your shop which we dobut haven't had time to read this yet. But I will ths weekend.

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    For now on this is what I will do with the homeowner. And document it at the same time. This is ust uncomfortable.

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    I am going to find mydocuments from NCI that acks m statement up.

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    Having trouble wih my keyboard guess I should red tag my keyboard while I am at it.

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    If your state doesn't have laws/regs requiring you to disable the furnace. Then turn the switch off. note it on your invoice that you did so. leave a copy of your readings with the invoice. Verbally explain why its unsafe to the customer, and tell them you turned/left the service switch in the off position. note on your invoice that you explained the dangers to the customer, and that you informed them that the power was turned off. get their signature. If they turn it back on later. You have your proof you explained the dangers, and left the furnace turned off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by beenthere View Post
    If your state doesn't have laws/regs requiring you to disable the furnace. Then turn the switch off. note it on your invoice that you did so. leave a copy of your readings with the invoice. Verbally explain why its unsafe to the customer, and tell them you turned/left the service switch in the off position. note on your invoice that you explained the dangers to the customer, and that you informed them that the power was turned off. get their signature. If they turn it back on later. You have your proof you explained the dangers, and left the furnace turned off.
    I agree. A secondary h/x with the polypropolene failure is the same as a hole or crack in a primary. The unit should be redtagged and the gas and electric turned off. it is our company policy anyway. ALWAYS COVER YOUR ASS!

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    According to ANSI standards, you must shut down or disable any vented appliance that produces over 400 ppm of CO.

    Shut it off, hang a red tag, and notate your readings on the ticket and have owner sign ticket. If the owner turns it back on, that's not your problem.

    Sounds like your Bryant people need some info on industry standards as they relate to CO.

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