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    Quote Originally Posted by malcor View Post
    I've done a bit of work on Edwards Cryodrive units, chilling an evaporator to about -450'F!

    The most recent repair was to replace a locked compressor. It was an off the shelf Copland compressor but modified to be water cooled. Single stage system using Helium as the refrigerant.

    I was quite surprised with the manufacturer's instructions for charging the system with refrigerant at the time. It was just two lines, Evacuate to 1 micron, Pressurise system to x Bar.

    Also, the evaporator was a about 1" square and under high vacuum.
    What kind of application is that used for? What needs to be cooled to negative 450???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hvac216 View Post
    What kind of application is that used for? What needs to be cooled to negative 450???
    This particular equipment is a S.E.T (Single Electron Transistor) depositor. They use it in R&D for the design of hybrid semiconductors. The design that they were/are working on at the time was some sort of photo transistor processor for telecommunications.

    This S.E.T Depositor is located inside an ultra clean room along with a whole lot of other gear. To get in the clean room is a laborious task in itself, having to go through three stages of clean rooms and garments before getting inside the lab. And once inside there it is like a wind tunnel but the air going from the ceiling to the floor via stages of electrostatic and absolute filters. Quite noisy. I have some pictures of inside the lab somewhere on my computer. I was mostly taking them of the other really impressive looking equipment that they had in there.

    Interesting place to work but a real PITA when you have to go from the inner lab from the control station and S.E.T depositor to the outer lab where the two Cryodrive units are located. Really painful, especially if your security swipe card gets left in one of the intermediate clean/changing rooms and you follow the professor into the lab then get stuck in there for over an hour because everyone’s gone to lunch. I was staring at the emergency exit button for a while, weighing up the repercussions of pressing it and thinking of good excuses...

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    Quote Originally Posted by CFESAmasterEGSR View Post
    Barbar- I'm lost at the argon gas. Fascinated with this concept though.
    Argon = R740 and at atmospheric pressure boils at around -186C. (just another refrigerant)
    So if you need -150C, you need a refrigerant that will boil below -150C
    But is a fascinated subject.
    I built a -196C freezer, for processing metals, I used air as the refrigerant, and a 3 stage air compressor.

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    Yup, it was an autocascade system, a little intimidating at first but got it figured, low on gas based on the mfg "soak" test, which is basicly run it, shut it off and wait 10 min and compare pressure to their chart. Back next week to find leak and see what the mfx wants me to, probly change oil seperators, compressor and drier flush everything and recharge with the magic cocktale
    Neat stuff

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    Yup, it was an autocascade system, a little intimidating at first but got it figured, low on gas based on the mfg "soak" test, which is basicly run it, shut it off and wait 10 min and compare pressure to their chart. Back next week to find leak and see what the mfx wants me to, probly change oil seperators, compressor and drier flush everything and recharge with the magic cocktale
    Neat stuff

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    Oops double post

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    Quote Originally Posted by icemeister View Post
    Autocascade systems are indeed fascinating. Here's a link to a past issue of Sporlan's Cold Wars written by Garth Denison which explains them quite well.

    ColdWar February 2007 Auto Cascade
    Thanx for the link, simple but gets the point across very well

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