I'm gonna put my in here. These are my thoughts and not the industry norm. So take it with a grain of salt.
The indoor coil technically is a hx. The definition of exchange is to give and receive. The air over the
indoor coil in cooling is giving. The refrigerant in the coil is receiving the heat. The refrigerant in turn is giving back a cold coil and exchanging the warm air for cold air.
In hp mode the cool air over the warm coil is giving to the the refrigerant inside, and the refrigerant is receiving the cool air, the refrigerant in turn is exchanging the cool air for warm air.
The term heat exchanger in a 80% furnace is not a true heat exchanger. Because the hx is not receiving anything from the cool air over it. It is only giving heat to the air and warming it. The flue gasses are not absorbing the cool air cause its not condensing or changing the state of the heat or flue gasses in the HX.
Now on a hi eff. furnace the secondary coil which is actually first in the air stream is a true hx cause the warm coil is giving heat. The flue gasses are receiving the cool air and are condensing. So there is an exchange of heat before the warm air passes over the primary heat exchanger.
Again these are not terms normally used in our industry interchangeably. Just trying to help you understand how things work.
Let the flaming begin.
Do you think based on this being my second semester in HVAC that my knowledge and description is pretty good?
Originally Posted by Snapperhead
For now just know that you don't know enough.
Originally Posted by mikem201
Spend the next five years operating with an unquenchable thirst for knowledge and experience, take every job you are asked to do, within reason, like your next paycheck depends on it being accomplished the best way possible, if you're asked to change filters you be the best filter changer ever(remember what the components are from your books and remember where they are located on various units while you're at it), once you start installing/servicing units know that you have a huge amount of info and experience to get under your belt, stay humble and appreciative that you have a job, know that there is something to learn from everyone, even if it's what not to do. If you do this ^ and become a member of this site and are willing to take the lickings for doing things wrong and getting schooled by the more experienced members here without acting like a baby, and you have some natural abilities related towards this occupation you will turn out better than at least 80% of the folks who get into this business.
The way I explain heat pumps is to think of how a window AC unit blows out cold air inside & hot air outside. If you could just turn it around in the winter & let the hot air blow inside & the cold air blow outside that is what a heat pump does. It just takes some extra controls & valves to do it.
The best things in life are free but not everyone is willing to pay the price.
I use this explanation also, easy for new guys and customers alike to understand.
Originally Posted by garyed
OH ! So THATS the heat exchanger you were referring about , in a FURNACE ... You had me confused because you were talking about Heatpumps and the refrigerant cycle and something about an exchanger. There are heat exchangers in refrigeration units and I thought thats what you were speaking about.
Originally Posted by mikem201
So yes , you are right , if you have a gas furnace as "back-up heat" in addition to a heatpump in your scenereo above, then yes , a FURNACE has a HX ( heat exchanger )
Sorry for the confusion , but our friend Chaard above explains it as well.
But just so you know , having the correct terms helps alot.
For example , (technically ) Heatpumps have indoor and outdoor units , you dont call them evaporators and condensers , because once you run it in Heat, the indoor unit is suddenly the condenser. Make sense ?
In straight AC , yes the outdoor is a condenser , indoor is a evap , always
In refrigeration , like a walkin cooler , outdoor is condenser , indoor evap
In refrigeration you have heat exchangers , but you will have to get your teacher to show you one.
In furnaces you have heat exchangers
Last edited by Snapperhead; 01-08-2013 at 09:43 AM.
you are correct. So just have the dude install that for the cost of a new coil and air handler.
Originally Posted by Trehak01
It's not if your doing it right it's whether your doing the right thing that is important.
Back to your original question - never add a condenser (ac or hp) to an unmatched coil (evap or fan coil). This system is supposed to serve someone well for 15-20 years, why would you want something that isn't factory tested for performance and if not matched probably not warrantied?
Don't get cheap on this customer, or you will be back to repair it for life
Yes, you're correct....those thoughts aren't the industry norm. I'd say that your definition of heat exchanger is different than pretty much every textbook definition.
Originally Posted by chaard
That's all that matters.
Originally Posted by hvacrmedic