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01-02-2013, 03:12 PM #1
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404a pressures in low
I have a r-404a roof-top condensing serving a walk in freezer. pressures are 235 psi head pressure and a 28psi suction pressure. Outdoor ambient is 30degress and indoor box temperature is about 20degrees. System has a head pressure control on roof for hot gas. Wondering if pressures sound right. Seems like head pressure should be lower but not sure. Was at job last week and found a 260 head pressure. Reclaimed a little bit to bring down head pressure but sight glass was still full
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01-02-2013, 03:44 PM #2
What pressure is stamped on the headmaster?
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01-02-2013, 06:35 PM #3
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Sporlan head pressure control valve
LAC 4 215
Also found a heat exchanger about 10' from rooftop condensing unit heating up suction line with liquid line between indoor and outdoor units
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01-02-2013, 07:20 PM #4
The head is too high but not high enough to keep the suction pressure up. You need to determine why you have high head, but I don't think thats the cause of the problem. Did you get a SH reading @ the coil?
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01-02-2013, 09:21 PM #5
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Checked pressures again after box dropped from 35 degrees to 10 degrees after running for a few... 23 psi suction, 225psi head pressure. 20 degree super heat at evap coil. Total system super-heat is 40 degrees. I also have a 10 degree superheat where the liquid from the accumulator passes across the suction line, not sure what it's called but thought I would mention it. Last, the sporlan head pressure control which I believe might have something to do with it. The readings for the valve are. Hot gas inlet - 145 degrees, condenser coil liquid inlet- 42 degrees, valve outlet going to receiver than system-73 degrees. Thanks in advance.
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01-03-2013, 07:13 AM #6
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Sounds like the headmaster is working properly. The headmasters are stamped with a pressure, but that doesn't mean the system head pressure will always be exactly what that valve is rated at. I have seen 180# headmasters that bypass and maintain a 170# head and they work just fine. In your case, a 215# valve bypassing at 225# sounds just fine to me.
Yes evaporator superheat sounds high. Confirm the sightglass is clear and solid column of liquid before adjusting the TXV. Good luck!
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01-03-2013, 06:57 PM #7
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01-02-2013, 08:02 PM #8
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I think he is working on a freezer. 28psi may be a tad high for desired box temp at 0F. But I agree, check SH at evap.
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01-02-2013, 09:32 PM #9
Your evap SH is too high. Should be around 8 degrees with box close to temp. Is there a pressure limiting powerhead on the txv?
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01-02-2013, 09:32 PM #10
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SH too high at evaporator. You are starving the evaporator. Most guys set TXV for 5 or 6 degrees at evap for a freezer. The bulb is securely wrapped and making good contact? Check this first if you haven't already.
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01-02-2013, 10:53 PM #11
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Will return to site and check. I know bulb is making good contact because I removed bulb and heater up to check txv operation. Thanks for the help. Will check back in
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01-03-2013, 12:15 AM #12
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Oil insulating the copper from within, where the TXV sensing bulb is located?
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01-03-2013, 05:49 AM #13
What charging procedure did you use with this unit?
Units with low ambient control valves require a specific charging procedure to ensure the proper charge.
Explain. This would tend to cause the opposite problem, wouldn't you think?


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