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  1. #1
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    Restructure, Reform, or Eliminate Entitlement Programs. What Should be Done?

    What is everybody's thoughts on fixing entitlement programs? I don't see how the government can ever balance the budget without fixing these programs.

    SSI/SSDI: Should requirements be made tougher to get on this lifetime program?
    Food stamps: should there be a limit of what foods can be bought with taxpayers dollars, similar to what WIC does?
    Welfare and Section 8 housing?
    Medicaid?

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    This formula has worked for years. Live off the land. Lease every poor household 1 acre of land which is presently owned by the government. The lease is paid by the poor folks giving 35% of what they grow and raise to a co/op. The money from the co/op is then used to pay for additional luxurys the community desires like power and water They can grow their own food and raise their own livestock. They can construct their own houses and make their own clothing. Parents can teach their own children. The only new part of the formula is Obamacare doctors are required to work, on rotation, pro bono, 4 weeks of the year to care for these folks. If they don't like it tough! Problem solved.
    Officially, Down for the count

    YOU HAVE TO GET OFF YOUR ASS TO GET ON YOUR FEET

    I know enough to know, I don't know enough
    Liberalism-Ideas so good they mandate them

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    Great plan
    Does it include the disabled on SSI/SSDI? The ones our government has deemed "unable to perform any useful work".

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    IF YOU CAN'T FIX IT WITH A HAMMER, YOU'VE GOT AN ELECTRICAL PROBLEM
    WRITTEN BY A 21 YEAR OLD FEMALE, Wow, this girl has a great plan!

    This was written by a 21 yr old female who gets it. It's her future she's worried about and this is how she feels about the social welfare big government state that she's being forced to live in! These solutions are just common sense in her opinion.
    This was in the Waco Tribune Herald, Waco , TX , Nov 18, 2011

    PUT ME IN CHARGE . . .

    Put me in charge of food stamps. I'd get rid of Lone Star cards; no cash for Ding Dongs or Ho Ho's, just money for 50-pound bags of rice and beans, blocks of cheese and all the powdered milk you can haul away. If you want steak and frozen pizza, then get a job.

    Put me in charge of Medicaid. The first thing I'd do is to get women Norplant birth control implants or tubal legations. Then, we'll test recipients for drugs, alcohol, and nicotine. If you want to reproduce or use drugs, alcohol, or smoke, then get a job.

    Put me in charge of government housing. Ever live in a military barracks? You will maintain our property in a clean and good state of repair. Your home" will be subject to inspections anytime and possessions will be inventoried. If you want a plasma TV or Xbox 360, then get a job and your own place.

    In addition, you will either present a check stub from a job each week or you will report to a "government" job. It may be cleaning the roadways of trash, painting and repairing public housing, whatever we find for you. We will sell your 22 inch rims and low profile tires and your blasting stereo and speakers and put that money toward the "common good.."

    Before you write that I've violated someone's rights, realize that all of the above is voluntary. If you want our money, accept our rules. Before you say that this would be "demeaning" and ruin their "self esteem," consider that it wasn't that long ago that taking someone else's money for doing absolutely nothing was demeaning and lowered self esteem.

    If we are expected to pay for other people's mistakes we should at least attempt to make them learn from their bad choices. The current system rewards them for continuing to make bad choices.

    AND While you are on Gov't subsistence, you no longer can VOTE! Yes, that is correct. For you to vote would be a conflict of interest. You will voluntarily remove yourself from voting while you are receiving a Gov't welfare check. If you want to vote, then get a job.






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    I spent some time w/ a long time customer today. He's late 80's maybe early 90's, his wife is mid 80's. They survive on SS & a very small pension she had. He had no pension, owned a small shoe repair shop for 50 years. Both worked, both payed into the system their whole lives. Last year- he had his hip replaced, his knee the year before. Medications & uncovered expenses have drained their savings. They live in a mobile home & the only car they have is an old Ford LTD.
    She's been in declining health for years. She's wheelchair bound now but can walk a few steps unassisted in the house. The last fall 3 weeks ago was a bad one. Almost lost her. She's recovering in an assisted living facility because he can no longer care for her on a daily basis. He wanted her to stay there but the cost isn't covered & that amount is over 6k....a month!!!! To keep her there- the facility wants them to sign over all their assets. His run down mobile home, his old LTD, their Social Security checks (both of them!) & their savings & checking acounts. The state will pay when nothing is left.
    WTF?
    He's bringing his wife home Wednesday.
    That's how our system repays it's elderly hard workers for a lifetime of taxes & contribution.
    Yet- others can milk the system & contribute NOTHING!!!!!!


    Their furnace is history & I'm replacing it on my dime. My god- it's the least I can do.
    He's been a customer for 20 years. I'm sad & very angry right now.

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    Do nothing.... stay the course..... thats our only real choice.

    Cant be throwing kids out onto the street now can we ???

    Shiftless and lazy people know that the government will never seriously think about cutting back benefits to people with children.....

    Government knows that they can just keep on taxing the fire out of the working class till there is nothing left and the working class wont do a thing but complain and whine.

    Why even discuss it ???..........lol
    YOU SHALL REAP WHAT YOU HAVE _______ SOWN

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Bill View Post
    Wow, this girl has a great plan!
    Yes she does.

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    I have neighbors next to me and next to them that do nothing but smoke crack and shoot herion..They tried starting up a conversation with me in the back yard as they are smoking weed and drinking beer on the picnick table just shook my head...Heres what makes me mad,end of the month all of them get real crazy (no money)and start yelling and screaming till their goverment check get there first of the month..Now the lady next door just bought that house with cash (trust fund baby) a year ago..So this is what she dose at age 28 and proubly has another 60 years to spunge of the system...pisses me off....

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    Quote Originally Posted by precision hvac View Post
    I spent some time w/ a long time customer today. He's late 80's maybe early 90's, his wife is mid 80's. They survive on SS & a very small pension she had. He had no pension, owned a small shoe repair shop for 50 years. Both worked, both payed into the system their whole lives. Last year- he had his hip replaced, his knee the year before. Medications & uncovered expenses have drained their savings. They live in a mobile home & the only car they have is an old Ford LTD.
    She's been in declining health for years. She's wheelchair bound now but can walk a few steps unassisted in the house. The last fall 3 weeks ago was a bad one. Almost lost her. She's recovering in an assisted living facility because he can no longer care for her on a daily basis. He wanted her to stay there but the cost isn't covered & that amount is over 6k....a month!!!! To keep her there- the facility wants them to sign over all their assets. His run down mobile home, his old LTD, their Social Security checks (both of them!) & their savings & checking acounts. The state will pay when nothing is left.
    WTF?
    He's bringing his wife home Wednesday.
    That's how our system repays it's elderly hard workers for a lifetime of taxes & contribution.
    Yet- others can milk the system & contribute NOTHING!!!!!!


    Their furnace is history & I'm replacing it on my dime. My god- it's the least I can do.
    He's been a customer for 20 years. I'm sad & very angry right now.
    This is why we cant lump everybody into the same group of lazy no good for nothing , what ever some on here call them . You don't do away with the system you modify it to try remove the types like hvac71 is talking about . Now if there is kids involved pretty much what corny says is true .

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    Oh crap i just broke my new years resolution which was to stay out off the arp section .

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    if you are young and lazy they put you on medicaid then you dont pay a dime for health care on the other hand if you worked hard all your life you get screwed ,as a side note its not my problem if your kids go hungry because you are too lazy to work and no i do not feel its my responsibilty to help pay for there food. there is a difference between being down on your luck and needing some help and just being lazy and wont work.
    We really need change now

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    Wow 71, and I thought I had it bad living out in the country/suburbs of Houston with only one neighbor. Guess I did not realize how bad it could be, sometimes it's lonely out here, but I would take lonely over crack heads any day.


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    Quote Originally Posted by catmanacman View Post
    if you are young and lazy they put you on medicaid then you dont pay a dime for health care on the other hand if you worked hard all your life you get screwed ,as a side note its not my problem if your kids go hungry because you are too lazy to work and no i do not feel its my responsibilty to help pay for there food. there is a difference between being down on your luck and needing some help and just being lazy and wont work.
    Everything you said is true including the part about there kids . I would like to take it one step further and say that the government should not be giving tax brakes to married couples and people with kids also because its not my problem that you got married and have kids . What ever the single rate is with no kids should apply to everyone . And to let everyone know that i'm married with a daughter but still don't feel that single people should be paying at a higher tax rate than me .

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