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    Quote Originally Posted by bigtime View Post
    Id like to see all workers unionized, or unions abolished. Its kinda bs like it is now. A few guys making more money than most. Most guys somehow or another paying for the few guys making the most.
    I like to see all workers unionized too, dont think is going to happen but getting rid of the unions would be bad for all workers, unions tilt the scale in the opposite direction, big business fear them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by qwerty hvac View Post
    That is what you do not get. You work for a corporation. Small businesses are incorporated.


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    You are right! I was talking about the typical "corporation" where the workers makes minimum wage while the CEO makes 10 millions a year.
    I work for a large business, been to the owners house, met his wife and kids, his house and mine don't differ by much, we work in millions dollars jobs and we all get a fair piece of the pie and thats what unions are all about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by valdelocc View Post
    You are right! I was talking about the typical "corporation" where the workers makes minimum wage while the CEO makes 10 millions a year.
    I work for a large business, been to the owners house, met his wife and kids, his house and mine don't differ by much, we work in millions dollars jobs and we all get a fair piece of the pie and thats what unions are all about.
    Ok so if your boss could save on his taxes and have more money to put into his business do you think he would?


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    Quote Originally Posted by valdelocc View Post
    I like to see all workers unionized too, dont think is going to happen but getting rid of the unions would be bad for all workers, unions tilt the scale in the opposite direction, big business fear them.
    My first choice would be to get rid of them. I just cant stand to see a few getting paid more than they are worth on the open market, and most getting what they are worth on the market.

    We all pay for the union wage, not just big biz.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigtime View Post
    My first choice would be to get rid of them. I just cant stand to see a few getting paid more than they are worth on the open market, and most getting what they are worth on the market.

    We all pay for the union wage, not just big biz.
    You are totally wrong, union workers get pay more cause we bargain for the money, you dont pay a dime for my wages, its all open market, we make more than you cause the business owners make less, get it? we compete against union and non-union for the work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by qwerty hvac View Post
    Ok so if your boss could save on his taxes and have more money to put into his business do you think he would?


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    Ok, I get it you are a big supporter of corporate welfare, lets agree to disagree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by valdelocc View Post
    You are totally wrong, union workers get pay more cause we bargain for the money, you dont pay a dime for my wages, its all open market, we make more than you cause the business owners make less, get it? we compete against union and non-union for the work.
    Hate to tell you but we do pay your wages. How many government projects has your company and union worked on? And you do not make more then non-union guys. It's all a fallacy.


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    Quote Originally Posted by valdelocc View Post
    Ok, I get it you are a big supporter of corporate welfare, lets agree to disagree.
    How is it corporate welfare when it is your bosses money? It's your money also. Don't you get it that the government gets its income from you and your boss? If they stopped taking so much of it you would have more to spend and so would your boss. Therefore he would spend it to grow his business. And when your business gets bigger he needs more??....


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    Quote Originally Posted by valdelocc View Post
    You are totally wrong, union workers get pay more cause we bargain for the money, you dont pay a dime for my wages, its all open market, we make more than you cause the business owners make less, get it? we compete against union and non-union for the work.
    I guess I just dont get it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigtime View Post
    My first choice would be to get rid of them. I just cant stand to see a few getting paid more than they are worth on the open market, and most getting what they are worth on the market.

    We all pay for the union wage, not just big biz.
    from what i see in the union is that you make more based on the amount of time put in kind of deal ( don't quote me on it) its one of my points of views. when i was non union if you racked in the money the boss will take care of you financially, so we were always on the go. so it will weed out the slackers real quick. long story short you were rewarded based on what you brought in. i became union and its laid back im off early, they dont call rushing you, but i prefer the hours now that im young and i can handle it. but maybe in the future i regret not staying in the union. only time will tell, union or non-union they both have there pro's and con's. ive learned its up to the tech/ individual

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    Quote Originally Posted by valdelocc View Post
    You are right! I was talking about the typical "corporation" where the workers makes minimum wage while the CEO makes 10 millions a year.
    I work for a large business, been to the owners house, met his wife and kids, his house and mine don't differ by much, we work in millions dollars jobs and we all get a fair piece of the pie and thats what unions are all about.
    Nothing wrong with a CEO making ten million a year. That's cheap.

    His compensation is determined by the BOD, which represents the stockholders.

    Every union pension is invested in these corporations.

    Any idea what is required in terms of education and and experience to be a CEO?
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    I've done both. In my experience, you will make more on the check and in bennies in the union UNLESS you are self employed or a rip off artist. A service guy has alot more flexibility than a fitter and should be able to command the same wages or more depending on his talent. I have the ability to work on larger equipment. The ability to work in Chicago proper without getting hasseled. I don't have a boss that bothers me on my off time with questions. I no longer have to pay $400 a month for mediocre health care. I no longer get a 3k Christmas bonus. I no longer get paid holidays. Figure out what works for you.

    Bottom line, union or not. Educate yourself and work hard. You will reap the rewards this trade has to offer.
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    If your going to work at a Unionized company, join the union. They have to represent you either way. I'd feel like a mooch if I didn't.
    Way to poke the bear asking another Union question though.

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