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  1. #27
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    Why on earth would you want to get called to a Taco Bell at 2:00 in the morning and wallow around on a greasy floor while wrestling with unmaintained equipment with a still pubescent "manager" getting upity and insisting that he/she needs this equipment yesterday...?

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    AtticAce and timebuilder-

    How do I learn how the system is supposed to work and the sequence of operations? and I am new to the hvac field as well with only a year of experience but why would this not apply to the hvac world? Is it just easier to fake being a mechanic in HVAC?

    also how do you get foreigners to pay full price in the end?

    hurtinhvac- I want to go into this fields because I love the challenge and I love understanding how things work. I also want to have a reputation that if customers pay me the big bucks they will save money because there machines will not be breaking down at 2am. They will run so smooth the customers won't even know there running.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mechAK47 View Post
    AtticAce and timebuilder-

    How do I learn how the system is supposed to work and the sequence of operations? and I am new to the hvac field as well with only a year of experience but why would this not apply to the hvac world? Is it just easier to fake being a mechanic in HVAC?

    also how do you get foreigners to pay full price in the end?

    hurtinhvac- I want to go into this fields because I love the challenge and I love understanding how things work. I also want to have a reputation that if customers pay me the big bucks they will save money because there machines will not be breaking down at 2am. They will run so smooth the customers won't even know there running.
    Start reading up. Manufacturers installation operation manuals are incredibly informative.

    It's great that you have such high goals, but you have to be realistic that it takes a couple years to get to where you can be proficient, more less great.

    I got thrown to the wolves, so to speak. Rely on the frequent visitors here, you'd be surprised what you can pick up and how fast you can do so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryan1088 View Post
    Start reading up. Manufacturers installation operation manuals are incredibly informative.

    It's great that you have such high goals, but you have to be realistic that it takes a couple years to get to where you can be proficient, more less great.

    I got thrown to the wolves, so to speak. Rely on the frequent visitors here, you'd be surprised what you can pick up and how fast you can do so.
    Learn something new about refrigeration every day. Keep the Dick Wirz book in the truck and read a page or two at lunchtime.

    The customer relations problem is being able to determine IN ADVANCE which clients will have a problem with payment. From my perspective, if you get a cold call without a reference to come to a restaurant, it is because there is another company that will NOT come out, due to UNPAID INVOICES.

    I am not a guy who wants that call.

    For that reason, we have FEW restaurants we do. When someone can figure out an "Angie's list" for the contractor side, where companies can list their experience with customers, then maybe we will have a tool to use to keep OUR wheels on the road.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mechAK47 View Post
    AtticAce and timebuilder-

    How do I learn how the system is supposed to work and the sequence of operations? and I am new to the hvac field as well with only a year of experience but why would this not apply to the hvac world? Is it just easier to fake being a mechanic in HVAC?

    also how do you get foreigners to pay full price in the end?

    hurtinhvac- I want to go into this fields because I love the challenge and I love understanding how things work. I also want to have a reputation that if customers pay me the big bucks they will save money because there machines will not be breaking down at 2am. They will run so smooth the customers won't even know there running.
    Noble goals, but Murphy's Law dictates that despite your best efforts, anything mechanical can and WILL break and most likely at 2:00am!

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    We used to say that Murphy worked in aviation.

    The truth is, Murphy works EVERYWHERE.
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    This is the way i learned. I got a fridge on the side of the road and took it apart, labeled all the components opened up my book and learned about them. How well do you know the refrigeration circuit? how good r u with your torches, and voltmeter do you have these tools how about a vacuum pump? My mission1 was to get all the tools then get my hands on some equipment then fix the junk gain confidence in your ability and sell your skills. Remember we r pulling heat out of an area and dumping it somewhere else, it is all heat removal . Heck i did that with lawnmowers, washers, driers,dishwashers,20 years later...just got mt hands on a Taylor shake machine $$$ a new skill to sell also looking into morgue refrigeration. I also spent time in the factory at Marine Air Systems years ago hope this helps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hurtinhvac View Post
    Why on earth would you want to get called to a Taco Bell at 2:00 in the morning and wallow around on a greasy floor while wrestling with unmaintained equipment with a still pubescent "manager" getting upity and insisting that he/she needs this equipment yesterday...?
    Because it has bought me a house, a boat, soon to be 2nd boat, a few trucks, all the tools I could ever want, all the food I could eat, the ability to take the ol' lady out to a 5 star restaurant and get treated like royalty, and has even got me laid a few times. How is walking into a dirty kitchen any different than walking into a dirty house?
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    It's the old phrase "if they call, you gotta go". If you don't, someone else will an then you might have lost a customer. Saving thousands of dollars of product is pretty high on the list too.

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    The guys with thousands in product on the line are usually able to pay you, too.
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    I guess I started way too late. If I was well versed in "R", icemakers, fryers etc...having started in my twenties; I guess I could run a call in the wee hours now and again. Being able to work smarter and not harder and all that...

    I'm too old for that stuff at this point and am ok with it. I've long since acquired the house, trucks, nice cars for the Mrs. and the other spoils we enjoy...

    Certainly didn't mean to knock the folks who do it or anyone who wants to take it on. More power to you, by all means; and I regret my previous post appears kind of flip upon further review.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hurtinhvac View Post
    I guess I started way too late. If I was well versed in "R", icemakers, fryers etc...having started in my twenties; I guess I could run a call in the wee hours now and again. Being able to work smarter and not harder and all that...

    I'm too old for that stuff at this point and am ok with it. I've long since acquired the house, trucks, nice cars for the Mrs. and the other spoils we enjoy...

    Certainly didn't mean to knock the folks who do it or anyone who wants to take it on. More power to you, by all means; and I regret my previous post appears kind of flip upon further review.
    Don't sweat it. For me, work is work. I used to get upset when I was younger about having to go out in the middle of the night. Don't bother me anymore and I make sure it's worth my while
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    Quote Originally Posted by hurtinhvac View Post
    Why on earth would you want to get called to a Taco Bell at 2:00 in the morning and wallow around on a greasy floor while wrestling with unmaintained equipment with a still pubescent "manager" getting upity and insisting that he/she needs this equipment yesterday...?
    Hang on there ...... been at it almost 30 years...... i know about 50% of what I need to know..... trade changing fast... as far as taco bell ..... well i do not like tacos.....
    it was working.... played with it.... now its broke.... whats the going hourly rate for HVAC repair

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