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    Quote Originally Posted by acmanko View Post
    You do know that back during the Iraq war, the democrats said they would not raise the debt ceiling and the Republicans blamed them of not wanting to pay the soldiers or give them the equipment they needed to up armour their vehicles.

    By you response , do you think the soldiers in Afghanistan don't want to get paid and desire the best protection money can buy?
    Your crazy ace. The only reason the commie loving Dems want to raise the dept ceiling is so they can give more money to those who never want to work and who vote for them and live like parasites off of those who do and not to pay our soldiers a decent living. We are talking about the Dems who only love socialism not not those who strive to do better. Thank you, thank you very much
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2sac View Post
    Hey Lefty. Define good time(s). At one point in time in Americas history people were ashamed to be on government assistance. Now they expect it.

    I've brought this up before. My ex wife has been collecting a check, compliments of you and I, for the 17 years we've been divorced. My boy is grown and has nothing to do with her. She has what the doc calls bi polar but I call it alcoholism. She has another kid she collects a check for. FOR 17 YEARS she's been on assistance. If our great nation deems someone should collect a check for that long, LOCK THEM UP. Seems like a better deal for the taxpayers. 35k per year to incarcerate a prisoner or 50-60k so they can be free??? Do the math. Maybe it wil click in those lazyasses heads. No, this is not bitter ex wife talk, as I have not spoken to her in years. This is my pocketbook talking.
    How about work camps?

    If you are not capable of taking care of yourself... they you can live in this camp, in a small cabin. You will work a given amount and in return be taken care of (minimum levels), and given a pittance of credits to be spent at the camp store. Every 3 mos you will be reviewed to see if you are fit enough to leave.

    And the camps need to be as tough as Joe Arpio's prisons... Being a ward of the govt needs to be HARDER than successful private life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chaard View Post
    Watching the news. Boehner is blaming the Prez for not compromising. Since when is the Prez a member of the House. Pass or vote on a freaking bill and if the Dems or the Prez blocks it, then you can blame someone.
    The Prez doesn't write the bills. Where are the Dems on this. All I keep hearing is sound bites from Reid. Many politicians cross party lines. Why are we playing chicken with the Prez.
    Grow a pair and pass a bill.
    Quote Originally Posted by behappy View Post
    Amen!

    And as Trump stated, also tell the Prez. we will not raise the debt ceiling in a couple of weeks.

    That will get everybody's attention.
    Respectfully I disagree.

    Seems BHO and his cronies seem to have the upper hand of sound-byte opinion (that silly world where a cute catch-phrase is seen as truth without thinking it through).

    IMO what the GOP is doing is telling BHO and co: OK, you do not like what we do... do something yourself.

    It is easier to criticize others... than to take action... and so far public opinion is on the side of the criticizers. So why take action when you will only be criticized... Why not instead throw the ball into the court of your opponent and make them take an action so you can criticize them?

    Kinda like the DEMS have had the GOP on the defensive... now the GOP is putting the DEMS on the defensive.

    Should it work for both sides the same? We will see if the public is smart enough... or they are blinded by silly little immature sound-bytes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ga-hvac-tech View Post
    How about work camps?

    If you are not capable of taking care of yourself... they you can live in this camp, in a small cabin. You will work a given amount and in return be taken care of (minimum levels), and given a pittance of credits to be spent at the camp store. Every 3 mos you will be reviewed to see if you are fit enough to leave.

    And the camps need to be as tough as Joe Arpio's prisons... Being a ward of the govt needs to be HARDER than successful private life.
    Really?! This sounds more like what the O'Bummer administration is striving for. Don't matter if it comes from the left or the right, Fascism is Fascism, and what you propose here is pure Fascism.
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    The bottom of the cliff is the only place both sides will be able to get some of what they want and save face with their respective bases.

    Relax. We've been doing this for over two hundred years. The ramifications of the fall will be fleeting as they will resolve it quickly enough.

    The more things change...

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    I am a big believer in spending cuts. I have had to lower prices to sell more during this economy so let's cut the excessive spending and waste. In terms of taxes, the whole system has to be overhauled. Many big wigs have viable answers but the handful of politicians that refuse to budge hold are future in their hands, which is awful

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    Quote Originally Posted by RoBoTeq View Post
    Really?! This sounds more like what the O'Bummer administration is striving for. Don't matter if it comes from the left or the right, Fascism is Fascism, and what you propose here is pure Fascism.
    Yes that was a bit over the top. I suggest free indoor warehouse space to sleep on floor and be warm or cool between 50 and 90. Free bean soup. No requirements at all, no work or means test or drug test or anything.
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    Howe about a requirement of community service for government aid .

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    Quote Originally Posted by 54885488 View Post
    Howe about a requirement of community service for government aid .
    No, if the aid is simply an indoor space and free soup. No requirements at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by acmanko View Post
    You do know that back during the Iraq war, the democrats said they would not raise the debt ceiling and the Republicans blamed them of not wanting to pay the soldiers or give them the equipment they needed to up armour their vehicles.

    By you response , do you think the soldiers in Afghanistan don't want to get paid and desire the best protection money can buy?
    Your attempt to put emotion into your argument failed.
    If the debt ceiling is not raised the government must work within it's means.
    What a novel idea!

    Both sides in Washington use emotion ( like you just tried) to force their side of the argument. The troups will get paid and essential services will be preformed.
    It would be refreshing to hear anyone talk about what is truly good for the country. Instead of acting like teenagers and saying, I want, I want, I want.

    I wish I could run my household budget like the U.S. government runs theirs.
    My baseline budget is the total amount of money I spent last year (and that was based on the total amounts of money I spent the year before), pluse X% more.
    NO BASELINE!!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tool-Slinger View Post
    No, if the aid is simply an indoor space and free soup. No requirements at all.
    I do like the simplicity of it .

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    Quote Originally Posted by RoBoTeq View Post
    Really?! This sounds more like what the O'Bummer administration is striving for. Don't matter if it comes from the left or the right, Fascism is Fascism, and what you propose here is pure Fascism.
    Glad someone caught that.

    My thought was if folks ARE gonna be on the public dole anyway... make them work during the day for the things they get. Kinda like the CCC back during the depression.

    Personally... you all know GA is for removing ALL govt safety nets... putting charity back in local VOLUNTARY hands... and allowing folks to literally STARVE to death if they refuse to work or go along with what charity provides (and the conditions of receiving it).
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    Quote Originally Posted by RoBoTeq View Post
    Really?! This sounds more like what the O'Bummer administration is striving for. Don't matter if it comes from the left or the right, Fascism is Fascism, and what you propose here is pure Fascism.
    Quote Originally Posted by 54885488 View Post
    Howe about a requirement of community service for government aid .
    This is along what I was thinking about.
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