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12-26-2012, 08:35 AM #27
I'm not saying that what you want is impossible, but I am struck by your overconfidence about it.
I think that overconfidence could be your undoing.
Now, if all you want to do is to go into people's homes and convince them that they need a new system, and use minimum wage workers to slap a system in while you regard yourself as a business owner, well, that is a model that many companies use. It is also one of the reasons that big box stores have gotten into HVAC sales.
Properly diagnosing and repairing a system is much more subtle AND challenging. If you had spent a few years here reading posts by guys who do this work, you would realize 1) how poorly the trade is taught in most places, and 2) how poorly the science is understood by many technicians.
While you and I are are possibly capable of the same choices of employment by background and education, I am the one who has been doing this work for many, many years, and I can tell you that your plan lacks that insight from experience. I think you are imagining that this is less challenging from a technical/customer service/management standpoint than it really is.
The bottom line is the type of company you are imagining. If you are imagining a conventional residential HVAC company, I hope you are the Ace of Sales. If that's the case, hire a service manger and couple of techs today, and forego the schooling entirely. Let them run the technical and you can get out the Big Rake.
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12-29-2012, 08:01 AM #29Regular Guest
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One other question; can anyone here explain what a masterpiece is and why a masterpiece isn’t required prior to someone going out and operating a business on their own?
The way I understand it, there is no trade association or government licensing required to install and fix HVAC systems. There is not propriety on tools of the trade and no local requirements set forth by those in the trade, restricting the entry into practice by new tradesmen. So if this is the case is HVAC a trade or has it been reduced to an odd job?
Would getting an engineering degree be profitable more quickly than becoming an HVAC designer and technician.
Another idea would be to get basic skills and then operate in an area as long as you could until you can’t get work for whatever reason and then move on. While the experience one gains this way may not be the best for the customer, it is experience non-the –less. Sooner or later you will have made enough mistakes to know how to do it right and then you will be competent enough to get work in one area and can settle there. Just an idea; If you do it this way you can pretty well under cut everyone in the area. I’m retired and have a pension. I can afford to undercut anyone any time. I don’t need to work to pay bills and eat. I just need some type of business to run to keep me sane. Of course business success allows for increased income and, while a wealth of knowledge is most important, I’m not opposed to obtaining other kinds.
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12-29-2012, 08:22 AM #30
There are people that have doing something wrong for 30 years, and still don't know they are doing it wrong. So what makes you think you would learn to do something right because you did it wrong X number of times.
Since you said you can afford to under bid anybody. One of the courses you should take is a business course.Contractor locator map
How many times must one fix something before it is fixed?
12-29-2012, 11:18 AM #31Regular Guest
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Frankly it seems that mediocracy is where the profit is. If I can make money doing it wrong for 30 years then that works too. I am interested in profit. If that is based in quality that is fine. If not that's fine too. Besides everything here is generally replaced rather than repaired. Tear it out and do it again and of course blame a mistake on someone else.
12-29-2012, 11:54 AM #32
If your true motive is profit at any cost, why not become a pawn broker?Local 597 Service Fitter
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12-29-2012, 12:49 PM #33Regular Guest
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That's funny. My first job when I was 14 was pawn broking in Longview, Texas. That is actuall a tough business with a steep learning curve. You are essentially a banker.
12-29-2012, 01:02 PM #34
12-29-2012, 01:07 PM #35
12-29-2012, 05:53 PM #36
Maybe pick a business that people lives and wallet aren't at stake. This trade is very rewarding if you have some skill and passion, if your going to be a hack then what's the point? When I stand back and look at my boiler jobs it gives me a sense of pride that I took a pile of parts and pipe and made what I like to think of as art. I would have have up a long time ago if I didn't somewhat enjoy what I do.
12-29-2012, 07:49 PM #37
This is why I told him he has to love the work.
Maybe working for the government has suppressed his center of morality. Remember, the government is its own "god," and it demands that we worship it with taxes.
Sort of like ancient Rome.
12-29-2012, 07:59 PM #38
12-29-2012, 08:35 PM #39Regular Guest
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i dont know. something just doesn't seem right about the O.P.
i think y'all are being trolled