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  1. #1184
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    Quote Originally Posted by RoBoTeq View Post

    You speak of government as if it were some superior entity rather than an organization comprised of Americans who want to be so powerful that they can impose control over other Americans and become super wealty elites dictating how the rest of us live.

    Just who do you think is behind "the government"?
    The oil companies?


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    When you join the military you are sworn to FOREVER, uphold and "defend the Constitution of The United States Of America" against enemy's both foreign and domestic. Only question here is do we have to right "according to the Constitution to own/possess a firearm?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mcjo tech View Post
    Good for you

    Should I somehow be impressed by your credentials and give you carte blanche.

    Just because you are a Tea Partier from the east coast and edjumacaated in the Provision State.

    This makes you like the Pope, "infallible" on all matters gun?
    No,I guess you just don't get it. With a gun you're a citizen. Without, you're a subject. Simple enough concept for even you to understand. Isn't it?

    Perhaps you need a crash course in American history.
    Or at least read The Constitution over again. That's assuming you have once already.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AStudent View Post
    The oil companies?

    I would add wall street to that list. VISA, Bank of America, AGI..ext.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AStudent View Post
    The oil companies?

    ok that was funny
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    Quote Originally Posted by mcjo tech View Post
    OK just as long as EVERYBODY is required to complete such a course prior to purchasing any firearm.

    There already is,for kids its a safety course offered by the NRA and the BSA. Many thousands of kids have taken that course and have gone into competition shooting and have then taught their children safety skills and then those kids are safe gun handlers.

    You have some excellent ranges in your area,it would be a waste to not use them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by air1 View Post
    I would add wall street to that list. VISA, Bank of America, AGI..ext.
    If liberals think the banks and oil companies rule the USA government, libs should be very resentful of the concept of said entities taking away gun rights. That would be logical. I know, not liberal, but logical is not synonymous with conservative either.
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    HARTFORD, Conn. (AP) — A month after the Newtown school tragedy, Gov. Dannel P. Malloy is moving cautiously on gun control in Connecticut, a relatively liberal Northeastern state that nevertheless has a strong gun culture and is home to some of the nation's best-known firearm makers.

    Gun control advocates and their allies in the state General Assembly want to pass new restrictions on weapons while passions are still high over the Sandy Hook Elementary shooting rampage Dec. 14 that left 20 children and six women dead. But they are bracing for strong opposition.

    Gun owners have packed statehouse hearings in recent years to oppose measures that would tighten the state's gun laws. And gun manufacturers such as Colt Manufacturing Co., which traces its history to a Hartford factory that Samuel Colt opened in 1855, have threatened in the past to leave Connecticut, taking hundreds of jobs with them, if certain requirements became law.

    Malloy, a Democrat, became choked up when he mentioned Newtown in his State of the State Address on Wednesday, saying: "Let us do everything in our power to ensure that Connecticut never again suffers such a loss, that we take real steps to make our kids and our communities safer."

    He offered no specific proposals, instead noting that an advisory panel he set up last week will issue recommendations in March on gun control, mental health treatment and other issues arising from the Newtown massacre.

    Betty Gallo, a lobbyist for Connecticut Against Gun Violence, said the state has an opportunity to become a national model on gun control. She said she understands the governor is taking a comprehensive look at what could prevent another tragedy, but she and others worry about opposition.

    "There are people who have gun manufacturers in their town who are truly worried about constituents' jobs," Gallo said. "We expect problems with retailers and manufacturers."

    In addition to West Hartford-based Colt, Connecticut is home to the gun makers Sturm, Ruger & Co. and Mossberg & Sons. None of the companies responded to requests for comment.

    Also, the National Shooting Sports Foundation, a trade association, is based in Newtown, only a few miles from the scene of the Sandy Hook shooting. A spokesman, Mike Bazinet, said it is taking part in the gun control dialogue led by Vice President Joe Biden but has not gotten involved on the state level.

    "If we were asked to participate in any process that has as its goal the reduction of violence and the protection of our children, we as an industry would be pleased to take part in that process," Bazinet said.

    Connecticut, whose legislature has long been controlled by Democrats, ranks among the states with the most stringent gun control laws, but proposals to make them stronger have run into strong resistance.

    In 2009, a bill to require gun markings to make them easier to trace was dropped after Colt vice president Charlton Chen warned that the company would consider leaving if it became law. "Let us not make a mistake with the unintended consequences of driving businesses and jobs out of Connecticut," he said.

    More recently, gun owners turned out in force at the Capitol last March to oppose legislation banning large-capacity ammunition magazines, such as those later used by gunman Adam Lanza in the Newtown massacre. The measure failed.

    Robert Crook, executive director of the Coalition of Connecticut Sportsmen, said he has 35,000 members who represent a small portion of the 180,000 people with pistol permits in the state. He said 350 of them were prepared to testify last year against the bill banning large-capacity magazines.

    He said school security should be a bigger priority than gun control, noting that the Newtown shooting was carried by a troubled young man who took his mother's weapons and was not a gun owner himself. But Crook added: "We're open to any rational suggestions that make common sense."

    State Senate Majority Leader Martin Looney, a Democrat and a longtime proponent of tougher gun laws, said he is hoping the political climate has changed since the tragedy.

    "I'm hopeful that some people will recognize that not every gun regulation bill is a serious threat to the Second Amendment and that people will be a little more reasonable about accepting some reasonable regulation," he said.

    House Minority Leader Lawrence Cafero Jr., a Republican, said he expects lawmakers will find more common ground on the issue than people might expect.

    Gov. Andrew Cuomo in neighboring New York is trying to put his state out front on gun control, coming out with a wide-ranging package of restrictions Wednesday in his State of the State Address.

    He called for loopholes to be closed in a state ban on assault weapons and ammunition magazines that carry more than 10 bullets. The Democrat also wants to require holders of handgun licenses to undergo follow-ups to make sure they are still qualified to possess a weapon, and he is calling for increased sentences for certain gun crimes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian GC View Post
    If the term “assault riffle” is being incorrectly used then maybe we need a new term to describe what the media is calling an assault rifle. You want to say it is no different than most hunting rifles but we know that is not true.

    Features that describe an assault rifle in the eyes of the media are:

    Short
    Nimble
    Lightweight
    Pistol grip to avoid climbing.
    Large magazines.
    Medium caliber to avoid recoil during multiple firing.
    But not necessarily fully auto.

    Sure these features can be used for advantages on a hunting rifles but so would using a machine gun or a 50 cal mounted on top of your truck. These features also specialize in in-close combat particularly when shooting humans in an urban environment.

    The only feature a gun designer uses is not fully auto or not. There are a lot of other features that go into an assault rifle. I’m sure your list would be a lot longer than mine.
    So, which of these two rifles would you consider to be an assault rifle?
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    Quote Originally Posted by AStudent View Post
    If the government did decide to do such a thing, the people would not stand a chance....armed or unarmed. You say the military members might not fight for the government.... but do they really need people with the drones and robots we have?
    Listen up bonzo...government and military are comprised of Americans! If government gets so out of hand that there is a revolt, there will be as many, if not more, in the military who will be on the side of the revolutionists.
    Government is a disease...
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    Quote Originally Posted by mcjo tech View Post
    Hey Bo Bo Tech

    Take your complaint up with the Supreem Court over your rights

    They say you don't have a "right" to posess any firearm you want.

    So your above statement is moot and wrong.

    Of course we all know you will never admit it since you are never wrong.
    No, our current governmental dictators are wrong. And if they keep pushing Americans, Americans are going to push back. When that happens, I strongly suggest people like you stay out of the way, preferably hiding in your basements, so you don't get caught in the crossfire.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tool-Slinger View Post
    If liberals think the banks and oil companies rule the USA government, libs should be very resentful of the concept of said entities taking away gun rights. That would be logical. I know, not liberal, but logical is not synonymous with conservative either.
    As long as legislation doesn't interfere with their profits I don't think they much care about any of the issues we may squabble about. So they can co-opt the christian fundamentalist and give them pro-life legislation so long as it keeps them in power and rich. Throw fundamentalist a bone and they will vote for the party that supports the wealthy and hates labor. Why would the rich care one way or another if abortion is legal or not as long as it gets them the votes they need to stay and power.
    How else do you think a minority such as the rich can stay in power. They manipulate the ignorant to vote against their own economic self interest by creating a cultural divide using wedge issues of as guns, God and gays. The rich only care about those issues to the extent they can use them to stay in power.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jpsmith1cm View Post
    Brian,

    Tell me which one of these is a "Short, Nimble, Lightweight, Pistol grip to avoid climbing, with large magazines and Medium caliber to avoid recoil during multiple firing."


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    LOL! I just posted a very similar post.

    Yes, Virginia (referring to little girls in general), the most popular varmit rifle in the U.S. is on the "assault weapons" list.
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