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    Quote Originally Posted by mcjo tech View Post
    I understand and this is a valid point.

    But here in the US we already have certifications for concealed carry permits and the ability to issue them.

    Why not just extend this to if a person wasnts to purchase a semi automatic weapon they need to have a similar permit prior to purchasing one.

    I have yet to have anyone say or explain why they are not in favor of such a regulation other then it is against their rights which is BS because that it simply not the case or their contention that it won't do anything to prevent these killings which is also a bunch of BS.

    So, if I've got that permit (I DO), can I walk into a store and buy any semi-auto rifle I'd like?


    If I've proven my qualifications with a firearm, I shouldn't have to be re-verified each time I buy a gun, right?

    I'm being re-certified on an annual basis, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by printer2 View Post
    You sparked a thought. Is there laws saying the mother should keep the guns away from her kid? Maybe the people asking for tougher laws do not know the ones on the books. I know the ones we have on keeping our guns safe, I have no idea what you guys have.
    I am not certain of what specific laws there are because the main focus of American Socialists is to make all American citizens completely dependent on government rather than being responsible for our specific actions. My point all along about being responsible as a gun owner is that we should be judged on our actions, including neglect to keep guns out of the hands of children and known unstable persons, not on our ownership of objects.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jpsmith1cm View Post
    So, if I've got that permit (I DO), can I walk into a store and buy any semi-auto rifle I'd like?


    If I've proven my qualifications with a firearm, I shouldn't have to be re-verified each time I buy a gun, right?

    I'm being re-certified on an annual basis, right?


    Yep, you can walk right in and purchase one.

    Or the next day another one

    And no you are not re-certified

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    Quote Originally Posted by mcjo tech View Post

    Yep, you can walk right in and purchase one.

    Or the next day another one

    And no you are not re-certified
    I think people should be recertified.... what if I was once certified but had a severe mental breakdown.

    Reoccurring certification or at least personality test would be beneficial.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mcjo tech View Post
    Tell this to the 20 parents of those innocent sweethearts that died that day in Newtown.
    You tell the millions of citizens who prevented being victimized or killed by criminals because they had a gun to
    thwart being victimized. It's just logical that "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few." While 20 children is a very precious few, it is still a relative few compared to the millions who are benefited by that which the likes of you want to take away from American citizens.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AStudent View Post
    I think people should be recertified.... what if I was once certified but had a severe mental breakdown.

    Reoccurring certification or at least personality test would be beneficial.
    How could anyone tell?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RoBoTeq View Post
    How could anyone tell?
    Is this a serious question?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AStudent View Post
    I think people should be recertified.... what if I was once certified but had a severe mental breakdown.

    Reoccurring certification or at least personality test would be beneficial.
    Well although I don't disagree its called compromise.

    We give, they give, and somewhere in the middle we each get something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AStudent View Post
    Is this a serious question?
    Well, it wasn't, but you seem to have made my point for me
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    Quote Originally Posted by RoBoTeq View Post
    You tell the millions of citizens who prevented being victimized or killed by criminals because they had a gun to
    thwart being victimized. It's just logical that "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few." While 20 children is a very precious few, it is still a relative few compared to the millions who are benefited by that which the likes of you want to take away from American citizens.
    You must have me confused with someone else.

    I don't want to take your right to possess a firearm away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mcjo tech View Post
    Ok you win.

    Not

    Your attitude and those who believe as you is why you will see a weapons ban.

    You and your Party are in no position to win this fight.

    Carry on!

    Myth Gun registration works:


    Not in Canada. More than 20,000 Canadian gun-owners have publicly refused to register their firearms. Many others (as many as 300,00097) are silently ignoring the law.

    • The provincial governments of Alberta, Saskatchewan, and Manitoba have dumped both the administration and the enforcement of all federal gun-control laws right back into Ottawa's lap, throwing the Canadian government into a paper civil war.

    • And all at a cost more than 1,646% the original projected cost98 (the original cost was estimated at 5% of all police expenditures in Canada99). "The gun registry as it sits right now is causing law abiding citizens to register their guns but it does nothing to take one illegal gun off the street or to increase any type of penalty for anybody that violates any part of the legislation," according to Al Koenig, President, Calgary Police Association.100 "We have an ongoing gun crisis, including firearms-related homicides lately in Toronto, and a law registering firearms has neither deterred these crimes nor helped us solve any of them," according to Toronto police Chief Julian Fantino .101
    • The system is so bad that six Canadian provinces (British Columbia joins Manitoba, Saskatchewan, Alberta, Nova Scotia, and Ontario) are refusing to prosecute firearm owners who fail to register.102
    • A bill to abolish the registry has been tabled (introduced) in the Canadian Parliament, which if passed, would eliminate the registry completely.103
    • A Saskatchewan MP who endorsed the long gun registry when first proposed has introduced legislation to abolish it stating that, “[the registry] has not saved one life in Canada, and it has been a financial sinkhole … absolutely useless in helping locate the 255,000 people who have been prohibited from owning firearms by the courts.”104

    98 Ottawa Under Pressure Over Gun Registry Fiasco, David Ljunggren, Reuters, December 4, 2002.
    99 When ‘Gun Control’ costs lives, John Lott, Firing Line, September 2001.
    100 Calgary Herald, September 1, 2000.
    101 Opponents increase pressure to halt Canada's gun control program, Associated Press, Jan 3, 2002.
    102 Victoria won't enforce firearms act, Vancouver Sun, June 06, 2003.
    103 An Act to amend the Criminal Code and the Firearms Act, Received first reading June 19, 2006.
    104 $2 billion worth of police will save more lives than one gun registry, Garry Breitkreuz, National Post, February 27, 2009.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmac00 View Post
    Myth Gun registration works:


    Not in Canada. More than 20,000 Canadian gun-owners have publicly refused to register their firearms. Many others (as many as 300,00097) are silently ignoring the law.

    • The provincial governments of Alberta, Saskatchewan, and Manitoba have dumped both the administration and the enforcement of all federal gun-control laws right back into Ottawa's lap, throwing the Canadian government into a paper civil war.

    • And all at a cost more than 1,646% the original projected cost98 (the original cost was estimated at 5% of all police expenditures in Canada99). "The gun registry as it sits right now is causing law abiding citizens to register their guns but it does nothing to take one illegal gun off the street or to increase any type of penalty for anybody that violates any part of the legislation," according to Al Koenig, President, Calgary Police Association.100 "We have an ongoing gun crisis, including firearms-related homicides lately in Toronto, and a law registering firearms has neither deterred these crimes nor helped us solve any of them," according to Toronto police Chief Julian Fantino .101
    • The system is so bad that six Canadian provinces (British Columbia joins Manitoba, Saskatchewan, Alberta, Nova Scotia, and Ontario) are refusing to prosecute firearm owners who fail to register.102
    • A bill to abolish the registry has been tabled (introduced) in the Canadian Parliament, which if passed, would eliminate the registry completely.103
    • A Saskatchewan MP who endorsed the long gun registry when first proposed has introduced legislation to abolish it stating that, “[the registry] has not saved one life in Canada, and it has been a financial sinkhole … absolutely useless in helping locate the 255,000 people who have been prohibited from owning firearms by the courts.”104

    98 Ottawa Under Pressure Over Gun Registry Fiasco, David Ljunggren, Reuters, December 4, 2002.
    99 When ‘Gun Control’ costs lives, John Lott, Firing Line, September 2001.
    100 Calgary Herald, September 1, 2000.
    101 Opponents increase pressure to halt Canada's gun control program, Associated Press, Jan 3, 2002.
    102 Victoria won't enforce firearms act, Vancouver Sun, June 06, 2003.
    103 An Act to amend the Criminal Code and the Firearms Act, Received first reading June 19, 2006.
    104 $2 billion worth of police will save more lives than one gun registry, Garry Breitkreuz, National Post, February 27, 2009.
    What part of my concept that you can't purchase a semi automatic weapon here in the US without a certification does the above diatribe have anything to do with that idea?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AStudent View Post
    I think people should be recertified.... what if I was once certified but had a severe mental breakdown.

    Reoccurring certification or at least personality test would be beneficial.
    Maybe they can us with the same level scrutiny they put the Fort Hood shooter through, or many of those fine deviants that work for TSA?

    Any good sociopathic liar worth a grain of salt can fool a test or a psychiatrist for just long as they want to.
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