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  1. #1639
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    Quote Originally Posted by ControlsInMT View Post
    While locking guns up has merit, the fact is somebody is breaking the law when they take the guns. That is a point you fail to grasp. A law would have to be broken before somebody could STEAL the guns. So maybe we should actually arrest and punish our criminals?


    And I will call Bullpuckey on your claim of black market guns coming from law abiding owners. That is unless you are referring to our government and their Fast and Furious program since the government can own guns and handed them over to criminals.

    On top of that is the lack of mental health for these crazies. I believe all of the last 4 "cowards" were diagnosed at some point with a mental illness yet nothing or virutally nothing was done to protect society from them.
    Much of what you say makes sense, but dealing to crims, is after the fact, as moderate on this issue, I would prefer a more proactive approach, where it is more difficult for crims, to obtain arms, the security issue, and that those who do own a legally proficient, in the use of the gun. Neither will stop a crazy, but may limit the damage, but is likely to reduce the more oppotunist type crim.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ga-hvac-tech View Post
    And if you are indeed in NZ... a good morning to you... you are what, about 12 hrs different than me... That would put you up in the wee hours of the morning just to argue on this forum.
    You must really have an agenda here... or perhaps this is not hailing from half way around the world?
    9am Wednesday morning.
    You mat think this is only an USA issue, it is not. But who really cares about NZ gun issues. Should our police be armed or not? (at the moment, the police are not generally armed)

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    Quote Originally Posted by barbar View Post
    Much of what you say makes sense, but dealing to crims, is after the fact, as moderate on this issue, I would prefer a more proactive approach, where it is more difficult for crims, to obtain arms, the security issue, and that those who do own a legally proficient, in the use of the gun. Neither will stop a crazy, but may limit the damage, but is likely to reduce the more oppotunist type crim.
    On the contrary, most of these have been in trouble with the law many times before. There are those few "first time offenders", but to play Brian's game, many, many, many of them are repeat offenders. Therefore if the criminals would have actually been punished to the full extent of the law, chances are they would not be out on the streets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ControlsInMT View Post
    On the contrary, most of these have been in trouble with the law many times before. There are those few "first time offenders", but to play Brian's game, many, many, many of them are repeat offenders. Therefore if the criminals would have actually been punished to the full extent of the law, chances are they would not be out on the streets.
    I do think punishment is a bit soft, so i am not going to disagree, but reducing temptation must also be considered. Making it more difficult for crims to obtains weapons.

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    For all you pseudo-intellectuals who think the press (media) are reporting the news (rather than trying to influence public opinion):

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=wt1Zy_ASNyA

    It would appear the media types (and govt types) are not willing to live what they print and try to legislate.

    Now us common folks... without rocket science degrees... see this for what it is... a power grab.
    Now someone tell me we should continue to trust and follow and believe these hypocrites? And give me a palatable reason that makes sense... go on, post it... Bet you cannot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fliks View Post
    I know very little about politics and don't pretend to but I find it pretty low when Obama has to surround himself with children when he gives his decision on guns. Like these children really understand what is going on. Is this how a president is suppose to act?
    you can tell the good guys from the bad guys, The bad guys use children as a shield, Us good guy.....we are the shield.

    Passing a law is about procedure. (short version) it must first be writen, then sent to committe, then sent for a "reading on the floor" then back to committee and then back to floor for a vote (thats the really short version)

    OR

    You do what Emperor Cuomo did and use something called a "Letter of Necessity" (as far as I can tell, it is the states version of the executive order) and you do the negotiations behind closed doors, so the opposite point of view can't be heard. Then when you think no one is watching you call a special session of the legislature, read it to the body and vote on it before anyone can say "boo".

    which is exactly what happened last night in Albany NY.

    I suspect this is the same thing that NObama will do by the end of next week (maybe this week) the difference is, On a national level the Republicans have a much stronger membership, which means anything NObama and Biden put to a vote will get defeated. Thats when Dicktator NObama will attempt to use "executive order" to circumvent congress. Then the Law suites start. The NRA, GOA, SAF and others will file suite claiming the president violated the Constitution...it will then go to the Supreme Court. Their decision is final.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ga-hvac-tech View Post
    For all you pseudo-intellectuals who think the press (media) are reporting the news (rather than trying to influence public opinion):

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=wt1Zy_ASNyA

    It would appear the media types (and govt types) are not willing to live what they print and try to legislate.

    Now us common folks... without rocket science degrees... see this for what it is... a power grab.
    Now someone tell me we should continue to trust and follow and believe these hypocrites? And give me a palatable reason that makes sense... go on, post it... Bet you cannot.
    I know GA can't see this but this video has to be one of the most asinine things I have seen in awhile. Why not just ask if people will put a sign in their yard saying " The front door is unlocked "

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    Quote Originally Posted by ControlsInMT View Post
    On the contrary, most of these have been in trouble with the law many times before. There are those few "first time offenders", but to play Brian's game, many, many, many of them are repeat offenders. Therefore if the criminals would have actually been punished to the full extent of the law, chances are they would not be out on the streets.
    absolutely correct. The shooting in West Webster Christmas Eve (about 3 miles from my house) was perpetrated by a known felon that had served a 10 year sentence for...........beating his 92 year old grandmother with a HAMMER, 42 times.

    why was this nut job out of jail?
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    Quote Originally Posted by netsalt View Post
    I know GA can't see this but this video has to be one of the most asinine things I have seen in awhile. Why not just ask if people will put a sign in their yard saying " The front door is unlocked "
    ya, almost as stupid as publishing all the known gun owners in the county. Including the names and addresses of police officers How asinine is that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmac00 View Post
    you can tell the good guys from the bad guys, The bad guys use children as a shield, Us good guy.....we are the shield.

    Passing a law is about procedure. (short version) it must first be writen, then sent to committe, then sent for a "reading on the floor" then back to committee and then back to floor for a vote (thats the really short version)

    OR

    You do what Emperor Cuomo did and use something called a "Letter of Necessity" (as far as I can tell, it is the states version of the executive order) and you do the negotiations behind closed doors, so the opposite point of view can't be heard. Then when you think no one is watching you call a special session of the legislature, read it to the body and vote on it before anyone can say "boo".

    which is exactly what happened last night in Albany NY.

    I suspect this is the same thing that NObama will do by the end of next week (maybe this week) the difference is, On a national level the Republicans have a much stronger membership, which means anything NObama and Biden put to a vote will get defeated. Thats when Dicktator NObama will attempt to use "executive order" to circumvent congress. Then the Law suites start. The NRA, GOA, SAF and others will file suite claiming the president violated the Constitution...it will then go to the Supreme Court. Their decision is final.
    SCOTUS is a lot more political than we realize... the judges will do what the people want.

    IMO we the people need to be rallying NOW... so when the litigation starts (should start the day the laws become legal)... there is an OVERWHELMING amount of public opinion AGAINST the laws.

    Send the message, send it LOUD, and KEEP sending it!

    The public likes to hop on a bandwagon... it gives them something to feel good about. Us that understand the Constitution need to get that bandwagon going... and support/spread it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ga-hvac-tech View Post
    SCOTUS is a lot more political than we realize... the judges will do what the people want.

    IMO we the people need to be rallying NOW... so when the litigation starts (should start the day the laws become legal)... there is an OVERWHELMING amount of public opinion AGAINST the laws.

    Send the message, send it LOUD, and KEEP sending it!

    The public likes to hop on a bandwagon... it gives them something to feel good about. Us that understand the Constitution need to get that bandwagon going... and support/spread it!



    Thats what NObama wants, if he keeps the Rah-rah going, everything is fine BS, the sheep will follow. Which seems to be working so far, sadly
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    Prople Aren't The Only Thing Moving Out Of NY

    In what could be a watershed moment for the price, provenance, and future of physical gold, not to mention the "stability" of the entire monetary regime based on rock solid, undisputed "faith and credit" in paper money, German Handelsblatt reports in an exclusive that the long suffering German gold, all official 3,396 tons of it, is about to be moved. Specifically, it is about to be partially moved out of the New York Fed, where the majority, or 45% of it is currently stored, as well as the entirety of the 11% of German gold held with the Banque de France, and repatriated back home to Buba in Frankfurt, where just 31% of it is held as of this moment. And while it is one thing for a "crazy, lunatic" dictator such as Hugo Chavez to pull his gold out of the Bank of England, it is something entirely different, and far less dismissible, when the bank with the second most official gold reserves in the world proceeds to formally pull some of its gold from the bank with the most. In brief: this is a momentous development, one which may signify that the regime of mutual assured and very much telegraphed - because if the central banks don't have faith in one another, why should anyone else? - trust in central banks by other central banks is ending.

    Much more importantly, it is being telegraphed as such, with Buba fully aware of just what the consequences of this (first partial, and then full; and certainly full vis-a-vis the nouveau socialist regime of Francois Hollande which will soon hold zero German gold) repatriation will be in a global monetary arena, which is already scraping by on the last traces of faith in a monetary system that is slowly but surely dying but first diluting itself to oblivion. And in simple game theory terms, the first party to defect from the prisoner's dilemma of all the bulk of global gold being held by the Fed, defects best. Then the second. Then the third. Until, in this particular case, the last central bank to pull its gold from the NY Fed and the other 2 primary depositories of developed world gold, London and Paris, just happens to discover their gold was never there to begin with, and instead served as collateral to paper gold subsequently rehypothecated several hundred times, and whose ultimate ownership deed is long gone.

    It would be very ironic, if the Bundesbank, which many had assumed had bent over backwards to accommodate Mario Draghi's Goldmanesque demands to allow implicit monetization of peripheral nations' debts has just "returned the favor" by launching the greatest physical gold scramble of all time.

    From Handelsblatt:

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    Let's look at this scenario

    Guns and cars are banned. I get on my horse with a long sword and ride through the county fair slashing people with my sword and trampling them with the horse. What are you going to want banned Brian?
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