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  1. #1483
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    OK, out of frustration of the extremist leftists who keep crying that guns kill, I just knocked off a half dozen libbies by stabbing one, suffocating one, poisoning one, drowning one, set one on fire and caused one to have a heart attack by forcing him to listen to Rush Limbaugh for five minutes (he lasted longer than I would have). I feel better now, and no one was injured by guns.
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    This forum reminds me of the movie The Last Samurai.

    All the buildup of being bad to the bone but when the poop hits the fan we will all end up like the samurai do at the ending of the movie.

    What's this talk of the left in stilling fear into the minds of citizens? Was it not the right that passed the patriot act so that strange men could scan our daughters with a device that looked past her clothes, and then those strange men could frisk them?

    It's ALWAYS the left with you people.

    I think you listen to Limbaugh too much.... the man who declares the left as the enemy.....helllloooo (EDIT), they are Americans just like the right....it's guys like this that want to divide us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by air1 View Post
    No disagreement here. But there are limitations. "Well regulated" meaning "trained", and the type of arm being "in common use at the time", how do we make sure gun owners are trained and what type of weapons are acceptable?
    I do not think you understand what the writers of the 2nd amendment had in mind... and I might remind you SCOTUS ruled recently that private ownership of guns IS A RIGHT!

    Sorry... the law of the land trumps this 'feeling' of what is 'safe' and what is not.

    Might want to watch this video... posted a few pages back by DW:

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    Quote Originally Posted by air1 View Post
    I don't think training would be affected by any shortages. The training would not be related to marksmanship but rather safety and responsibility. Gun owners need to be aware of gun laws and the potential dangers of having a gun in the home or on ones person. People need to understand a gun is not a toy and that with gun ownership comes responsibilities and liabilities.
    Personally, being around people carrying loaded firearms just because they can, makes me uncomfortable. While hunting or at a target range I don't feel uncomfortable because I don't feel any aggression towards me. But in a situation where there is no need for a gun but someone feels they need to carry a loaded weapon just because they can is a very aggressive gesture. To me people that feel that they need to carry their guns to town are immature. I don't think guns are necessary in a civilized society.
    But I respect the law of the land and if the law says people have the right to carry then I must accept it. But I would feel better knowing that the people carrying the guns were responsible and trained, citizens. There seems to be a lot of gun owners that have some kind of cowboy fantasy of walking around packing and behaving like they were in the wild wild west. To me, those type of people are suffering from a form of mental illness and should not be allowed to have a gun. Only people that understand and believe in the constitutional reason for the 2nd amendment and the responsibilities of a armed citizen should be allowed to have a gun. IMO. People on some fan fantasy of being a gun slinging cowboy on a power trip should be the last type of people allowed to have guns.
    While GA is not as 'colorful' as Texas or a few other states concerning guns and gun rights (sometimes I really MISS living in Texas)... We are not shy about our guns either.
    As one that is involved in the gun community... I can say without reservation there are few "Rambo's" around... The folks I know are well trained and voluntarily stay proficient.
    What I CAN say is: These trained private citizens (trained and permitted to carry) are the BIGGEST threat to criminals in the state (yes, a much larger threat to criminals than the LE community).

    Couple of side notes about GA:
    We have a growing number of school districts (most of them are county-wide) who are gonna train and arm the office staff at schools (concealed carry).
    I have visited a bunch of gun stores since NewTown... pretty much the same story everywhere: The day after BHO was re-elected... guns started flying off the shelves! At the gun show in Dec... all gun prices and ammo prices were WAAAY up (yes, supply and demand is alive and well).

    Folks down this way are SERIOUS about their right to protect themselves... I just hope we do not have a showdown over some legal issues... It would not be pretty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AStudent View Post
    This forum reminds me of the movie The Last Samurai.

    All the buildup of being bad to the bone but when the poop hits the fan we will all end up like the samurai do at the ending of the movie.

    What's this talk of the left in stilling fear into the minds of citizens? Was it not the right that passed the patriot act so that strange men could scan our daughters with a device that looked past her clothes, and then those strange men could frisk them?

    It's ALWAYS the left with you people.

    I think you listen to Limbaugh too much.... the man who declares the left as the enemy.....helllloooo (EDIT), they are Americans just like the right....it's guys like this that want to divide us.
    I am sorry... I read in many a post in this thread... yes, the WHOLE thread... MANY a post where folks on the right were chastised for wrong legislation when it comes to 2nd amendment rights.

    MeThinks the poster has an issue with the right... rather than listening and understanding the discussion.

    As to the movie "The Last Samurai" When mankind does not have something they passionately believe in... they are degenerate and worthless. Folks NEED something to believe in... it makes them the persons they can be!
    When folks understand this... they understand adulthood.
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    Scotus also said that local and state governments can also put restrictions on what they will and wont allow.... such as large capacity mags....barrel lengths....handgrips..... add on stuff....

    Sooooooooo that means a 40 pound single shot pistol in caliber .22 rimfire.....can be made the only legal handgun a given local or state government will allow.....

    Scotus said you cant ban all handguns....or all rifles....... but you can pretty much put whatever restrictions you want on them.

    80 inch minimum barrel length..... 40 pound minimum weight...... strobe lights...... lol

    But dont worry.... what Im hearing on the old grapevine is that there are not going to be wholesale ban guns....... but they are going to be making purchasing ammo prohibitive for all but the wealthy and elite.....and of course those of you who would let your family starve to feed your desire for more bullets..... 25 bucks for a box of 50 .22 shells...... 80 bucks for 20 .223.... 75.00 for a box of 7 and 1/2s....... 100.00 for five 00 buck. I have an old box of 5 Sears OO buck..... Got some old paper shells too...but they are more collectibles than anything else..... powder is probably no good..... bet those sears 00 bucks are still good though.

    Id say by next year we will be seeing guys with

    "I'll do anything for a couple of 9mm cartridges, and I mean anything"

    signs on the street corners..... fighting the bums for curb space......lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by AStudent View Post
    This forum reminds me of the movie The Last Samurai.

    All the buildup of being bad to the bone but when the poop hits the fan we will all end up like the samurai do at the ending of the movie.

    What's this talk of the left in stilling fear into the minds of citizens? Was it not the right that passed the patriot act so that strange men could scan our daughters with a device that looked past her clothes, and then those strange men could frisk them?

    It's ALWAYS the left with you people.

    I think you listen to Limbaugh too much.... the man who declares the left as the enemy.....helllloooo (EDIT), they are Americans just like the right....it's guys like this that want to divide us.
    The Patriot Act was put into place because we needed an emergency agency to respond to a specific act of terrorism against the U.S. Like everything else, the leftists got back into power and instead of letting the Patriot Act fade out as things settled down, they increased the powers of the Patriot act to increase the size and cost of government and to increase the ways of controlling Americans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by corny View Post
    Scotus also said that local and state governments can also put restrictions on what they will and wont allow.... such as large capacity mags....barrel lengths....handgrips..... add on stuff....

    Sooooooooo that means a 40 pound single shot pistol in caliber .22 rimfire.....can be made the only legal handgun a given local or state government will allow.....

    Scotus said you cant ban all handguns....or all rifles....... but you can pretty much put whatever restrictions you want on them.

    80 inch minimum barrel length..... 40 pound minimum weight...... strobe lights...... lol

    But dont worry.... what Im hearing on the old grapevine is that there are not going to be wholesale ban guns....... but they are going to be making purchasing ammo prohibitive for all but the wealthy and elite.....and of course those of you who would let your family starve to feed your desire for more bullets..... 25 bucks for a box of 50 .22 shells...... 80 bucks for 20 .223.... 75.00 for a box of 7 and 1/2s....... 100.00 for five 00 buck. I have an old box of 5 Sears OO buck..... Got some old paper shells too...but they are more collectibles than anything else..... powder is probably no good..... bet those sears 00 bucks are still good though.

    Id say by next year we will be seeing guys with

    "I'll do anything for a couple of 9mm cartridges, and I mean anything"

    signs on the street corners..... fighting the bums for curb space......lol
    As is typical of your corninus posts, there is an element of truth in what you say. Price of Ammo around here has doubled, so so speak. What could be purchased for X for 100 rounds is still X but for only 50 rounds. Gun bans etc. would be too hard because of that nasty old Constitution thing. But that old rag paper say's nothing about taxing or protecting access to ammo. It's a back door that the founding fathers did not think of. This could mean the resurrection of the mighty Muskatoon.
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    There is concern by many about the "perceived" problems with guns, so if a gun owner by having is gun(s) at home unsecured for example, is effecting the happiness of a non gun owner (a neighbor,), then surly your original founding document, must take priority over the second amendment. In favor of the non gun owner.

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    Reactionary, exaggerated hoopla. Makes for good news and great business for gun ammo dealers. Really, those fools in DC know none of this will be saving lives when the lone fruitcake gets a hold of an auto shotgun, 2 Glocks with 10- 10 rd mags again, or truck full of fertilizer and ignition directions. What kills the most people that is licensed and controlled by laws? Cars and then, alcohol and drugs. Not guns.

    We live in a violent and disintegrating culture that is soon coming to a time the Bible talked about. The toothpaste is not going back in the tube and there is no turning back. And there are powerful folks who know this and are planning what to do with the masses once the meltdown begins.

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    Quote Originally Posted by barbar View Post
    There is concern by many about the "perceived" problems with guns, so if a gun owner by having is gun(s) at home unsecured for example, is effecting the happiness of a non gun owner (a neighbor,), then surly your original founding document, must take priority over the second amendment. In favor of the non gun owner.
    Maybe, just maybe, the non-gun owner needs to pull up their big girl panties and get on with their life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by barbar View Post
    There is concern by many about the "perceived" problems with guns, so if a gun owner by having is gun(s) at home unsecured for example, is effecting the happiness of a non gun owner (a neighbor,), then surly your original founding document, must take priority over the second amendment. In favor of the non gun owner.
    this is quit possibly the stupidest thing I have read yet. how is MY guns, in MY home effect
    my neighbors happiness, let alone anyone else on the planet? Thats like saying my neighbor smokes pot, and it's ruining MY life....ludicrous

    Is the "non-gun owner" now a superior citizen to me, am I now a second class citizen because I own a firearm.

    So your argument is, A unarmed citizen has more rights than an armed citizen. That a unarmed citizen has the right to Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness, but armed citizens do NOT!!!

    Congrats, you just beat Corny as the dumbest post yet
    "Arguing with liberals...it's like playing chess with a pigeon; no matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, crap on the board and strut around like it's victorious." -- Anonymous

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    Remember Jmac that this is a kiwi.....they have no clue and should be spoken to as if they were a child.
    "The road to Hell is paved with progressive policies."

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