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  1. #2666
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gib's Son View Post
    To shed some insight as someone that lived there...Southern Ca.: There was a time when the authorities handed out CCW. That all changed back in the 80's and 90's. When I left several years ago it was nearly impossible to get a CCW in Southern Cal. because the Sheriff and P.D's Cheifs had become so political and are to chicken to stand up to the gun lobby that would rail against them....don't want to lose that cushy position you know. To get CCW you literally had to know someone, and that someone had better have some clout.
    Do you mean to tell us that a law-enforcement official can be influenced by politicians?




    One would think that a law enforcement officer and, in fact, a law enforcement ORGANIZATION should be exempt from political pressures such as this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmac00 View Post
    WTH would that prove??? Citing the law isn't good enough for you, Holy crap?
    You find these laws on the internet and you cannot read past the paper they are written on. That’s right “citing the law isn’t good enough.” Not when it only applies to one out of 100,000 people.

    Now let’s go off on a tangent and question whether my one out of 100,000 figure is accurate. You’re right……..Holy crap!!!

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    For you SERIOUS gun folks...

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    Now THIS should make Brian pee his pants...
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  4. #2669
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gib's Son View Post
    To shed some insight as someone that lived there...Southern Ca.: There was a time when the authorities handed out CCW. That all changed back in the 80's and 90's. When I left several years ago it was nearly impossible to get a CCW in Southern Cal. because the Sheriff and P.D's Cheifs had become so political and are to chicken to stand up to the gun lobby that would rail against them....don't want to lose that cushy position you know. To get CCW you literally had to know someone, and that someone had better have some clout.
    Thanks for shedding light on this. For all intents and purposes it is illegal for the average Joe to CCW in California. But for those that get all their knowledge from websites, California is no different than Texas CCW laws.

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    206 pages?? Really? Is this not obvious to the OP? Is that the mindset out there?? You need help with this? Some nut walks into a school, any school, and there have been a few, and blows your kid away. Maybe he wants into your house, or car. Doesn't matter. You have a right to own a gun. As long as THEY have one, so will I.
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    Yep, 206 pages and the foo's are still foo's. As the old cliche goes, you cant fix stupid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian GC View Post
    Thanks for shedding light on this. For all intents and purposes it is illegal for the average Joe to CCW in California. But for those that get all their knowledge from websites, California is no different than Texas CCW laws.
    NOT SO...

    Texas, along with GA, are 'shall issue' states. That means: If you apply, and you are eligible (you are not a felon or a few other things)... You get a CCW because you qualify. There are no politics involved. Now a few 'shall issue' states (Hawaii for one) make it almost impossible.
    Is CAL a 'shall issue' state... I think not... Someone have that link?
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    Quote Originally Posted by coolwhip View Post
    Yep, 206 pages and the foo's are still foo's. As the old cliche goes, you cant fix stupid.
    Stupid has to WANT to be fixed... until then... well... nothing changes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian GC View Post
    You find these laws on the internet and you cannot read past the paper they are written on. That’s right “citing the law isn’t good enough.” Not when it only applies to one out of 100,000 people.

    Now let’s go off on a tangent and question whether my one out of 100,000 figure is accurate. You’re right……..Holy crap!!!
    <shaking my head> unbelievable, this is a new level of density. The law is the law and it applies to a lot more people than you might think, like everyone. Just because you don't know their names or only applies to a select few, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. good grief. <shaking my head>
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    Quote Originally Posted by ga-hvac-tech View Post
    NOT SO...

    Texas, along with GA, are 'shall issue' states. That means: If you apply, and you are eligible (you are not a felon or a few other things)... You get a CCW because you qualify. There are no politics involved. Now a few 'shall issue' states (Hawaii for one) make it almost impossible.
    Is CAL a 'shall issue' state... I think not... Someone have that link?
    Mexifornia is a "May issue" state. You have to be rich, powerful and know people to get a CCW permit in Mexifornia, very similar to NYC. You can get a permit, but you better be connected.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ga-hvac-tech View Post
    NOT SO...

    Texas, along with GA, are 'shall issue' states. That means: If you apply, and you are eligible (you are not a felon or a few other things)... You get a CCW because you qualify. There are no politics involved. Now a few 'shall issue' states (Hawaii for one) make it almost impossible.
    Is CAL a 'shall issue' state... I think not... Someone have that link?
    http://www.californiaconcealedcarry.com/

    This is a site that champions applicants for CCW permits that are refused ILLEGALLY by authorities that are not following the law. It states the areas in California that are difficult to obtain CCW permits due to political persuasion overriding pedetermined application parameters and the areas that are going by preset application parameters.
    It shows the problem with UNEVEN law application and fights to make it even.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian GC View Post
    Thanks for shedding light on this. For all intents and purposes it is illegal for the average Joe to CCW in California. But for those that get all their knowledge from websites, California is no different than Texas CCW laws.
    More misinformation from brian. I am not sure why everyone here continues to talk to you when you spout off continually wrong facts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmac00 View Post
    Mexifornia is a "May issue" state. You have to be rich, powerful and know people to get a CCW permit in Mexifornia, very similar to NYC. You can get a permit, but you better be connected.
    Any cop here would shoot you before you could ever get your permit out of your pocket because they have never seen one.

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