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    Why do you feel the need to own a gun?

    I'm curious as to what everyones rational is for owning a gun. What are the psychological motivations for feeling the need to have a firearm? Have any gun owners tried to understand why they feel they need a gun?
    I've be wrestling with this issue ever since the recent shooting incident trying figure out where I stand on the issue of gun control. I'm a gun owner, I've hunted in the past, and I enjoy shooting. Probably because I'm good at it (a liberal that can shoot). So the thought of giving up my weapons has me concerned. But what is it that really concerns me?
    What I think really concerns me is that giving up my gun is equivalent to giving up power. Guns give you power. Or at least equality. A armed person willing to go the distance is a person to contend with. And I fear giving up power because by definition I would become powerless.
    The only way you can give up your weapon and not become powerless is if everyone else gave up their weapons too. Including law enforcement. Because mutually assured destruction keeps us civil. Otherwise the ones with all the power WILL abuse their power.
    I saw a post on facebook today of a woman with a poster stating "if a kid hits another kid with a rock, giving all the kids a rock is not the solution", something like that. I can sort of agree with that. But my experience has been that bullies only pick on those that don't fight back.
    It's a difficult issue. I wish there were no need for guns, armies or cops and we could all just get along. But I'm afraid we're a long way from that. But perhaps phasing in gun controls can lead us to a society that no longer feels that it needs guns. Perhaps.
    What's the solution? I don't know.
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    Cops are the only ones carrying guns up here, and they don't abuse their's or the government's power any more than down there. Perhaps less so, in fact. The contradiction in your 2nd amendment is that no one is ready or capable to organize a resistance to the government. The government doesn't fear you and your guns, they control something much more powerful - information.

    Now, for the usual suspects to chime in calling me a liberal just because I'm Canadian....
    I'm not.
    I believe in long gun ownership, have a rifle and love it.

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    I like the noise they make and how whatever you are aiming at reacts to the bullet if you hit it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by syndicated View Post
    Cops are the only ones carrying guns up here, and they don't abuse their's or the government's power any more than down there. Perhaps less so, in fact. The contradiction in your 2nd amendment is that no one is ready or capable to organize a resistance to the government. The government doesn't fear you and your guns, they control something much more powerful - information.
    I'm not sure how I got in here. I came to this forum as a homeowner seeking advice about furnaces, and I saw this... I'm a non-gun owner, but I have a few friends who are avowed gun nuts and pester me about their (expensive) hobby, and my business has a peripheral interest in matters pertaining to firearms. Like abortion, vaccination, and LGBTQ rights, guns are always a hot-button issue. So, if I may offer a few points:

    Cops are not the only ones carrying [hand]guns up here. Security guards working for the valuables in transit sector (Churchill, Loomis, Guarda, G4S, &c.) carry handguns for self defense. The guards here used to carry .38 Special revolvers, but now mostly have .40 pistols. Actually, Britain--where guards are unarmed--has armed robberies of armoured car crews that are off the charts: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...rity-boss.html Armoured car robberies are rare in Canada. Also, a handful of other people are authorized to carry handguns. These are mostly people in the back country (trappers, geologists, the odd wildlife photographer), and a handful of people who have concealed carry permits. These are mostly Crown Prosecutors and the like, and only about a dozen of these permits are given out in each Province annually. There is actually a form you can download for this: http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/f...s/5491-eng.pdf

    The Second Amendment dates back to the English Bill of Rights. An armed citizenry really is a check on state power, and this is why, for example, the Czech Republic eschewed strict gun control, fearing the memory of communism and fascism. Information is pretty easy to control, but people aren't, and an armed population can harass a repressive government out of existence. You can know what a bear is, share this information with your compatriots, but it will still eat you if you can't kill it. Jews in the Warsaw ghetto stayed alive for a while and caused the Nazis a lot of grief, not with disseminating information but by firing on SS troops. Another example is Israel, which has a relatively free press, but very strict gun laws. Basically only active military personnel can own firearms, and hunting rifles are essentially illegal. The Israeli government doesn't care about the flow of information, but fears its Arab and Jewish population alike. As with everywhere else, arms controls really don't work: Palestinians and far-right settlers still get their hands on firearms, and both cause the Netanyahu government lots of trouble.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Underhill View Post
    I'm not sure how I got in here. I came to this forum as a homeowner seeking advice about furnaces, and I saw this... I'm a non-gun owner, but I have a few friends who are avowed gun nuts and pester me about their (expensive) hobby, and my business has a peripheral interest in matters pertaining to firearms. Like abortion, vaccination, and LGBTQ rights, guns are always a hot-button issue. So, if I may offer a few points:

    Cops are not the only ones carrying [hand]guns up here. Security guards working for the valuables in transit sector (Churchill, Loomis, Guarda, G4S, &c.) carry handguns for self defense. The guards here used to carry .38 Special revolvers, but now mostly have .40 pistols. Actually, Britain--where guards are unarmed--has armed robberies of armoured car crews that are off the charts: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...rity-boss.html Armoured car robberies are rare in Canada. Also, a handful of other people are authorized to carry handguns. These are mostly people in the back country (trappers, geologists, the odd wildlife photographer), and a handful of people who have concealed carry permits. These are mostly Crown Prosecutors and the like, and only about a dozen of these permits are given out in each Province annually. There is actually a form you can download for this: http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/f...s/5491-eng.pdf

    The Second Amendment dates back to the English Bill of Rights. An armed citizenry really is a check on state power, and this is why, for example, the Czech Republic eschewed strict gun control, fearing the memory of communism and fascism. Information is pretty easy to control, but people aren't, and an armed population can harass a repressive government out of existence. You can know what a bear is, share this information with your compatriots, but it will still eat you if you can't kill it. Jews in the Warsaw ghetto stayed alive for a while and caused the Nazis a lot of grief, not with disseminating information but by firing on SS troops. Another example is Israel, which has a relatively free press, but very strict gun laws. Basically only active military personnel can own firearms, and hunting rifles are essentially illegal. The Israeli government doesn't care about the flow of information, but fears its Arab and Jewish population alike. As with everywhere else, arms controls really don't work: Palestinians and far-right settlers still get their hands on firearms, and both cause the Netanyahu government lots of trouble.
    No dis-respect meant... however comparing Canada to the USA is not a good (nor accurate) comparison.

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    I use some of my guns to hunt, which if some catastrophe happened where there were no grocery stores etc one would need to provide food for their family and a gun is much more efficient than trapping. I also have guns for target practicing and fun and some for protection of my family. I beleive the general public should have the same access to firepower the military does because if it did ever come to the point of forming militia to overthrow a corrupt government we would for sure be outgunned, I don't fear that too much though because David was outmatched many times and came out on top every time. The most famous being his bout with Goliath.

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    I inherited most of mine. A couple of them are limited production models.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clifpaul View Post
    I inherited most of mine. A couple of them are limited production models.
    +1.

    My Dad was gonna let my grandfather's 1918 Savage and Colt go to the smelter, I got a permit so I could claim them. And here in NY you have to jump through a lot of hurdles to get a permit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tedkidd View Post
    +1.

    My Dad was gonna let my grandfather's 1918 Savage and Colt go to the smelter, I got a permit so I could claim them. And here in NY you have to jump through a lot of hurdles to get a permit.
    I'll drink to that, It took me 9 months to get my permit.

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    It would be nice if folks would just get along... however history suggests that will never happen.

    Firearms are a means to protect oneself from another who would take advantage of you or your family.

    Now in the USA: we are a country formed by folks who understand tyranny (govts taking unfair advantage of their citizens). The purpose of our 2nd amendment is to give the citizens the right to tell an oppressive govt 'NO'.
    The founding fathers were a smart bunch... they understood it is the knowledge the means ARE there that keeps govt at bay... as similar as the knowledge a person is packing that keeps the criminal away.

    A perfect (utopian) world will never happen... we should be thankful for what we have and take care of the ones we love.
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    Personal & home defense, target shooting, and trap shooting.
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    Because I can

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    To protect ourselves from a corrupt government. If not we will be sheep led to slaughter.

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