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    Hmm Continue working for HVAC contractor or branch out and apply to local union?

    I have been working as a helper or apprentice with my dad who is a licensed HVAC contractor since June. I have also been attending a HVAC training program at my community college/training center since September. I am enrolled in a 12 month HVAC program which follows the curriculum of the NCCER. I wish I could see the future and know which path would be the better of the two. In the long run a union job would provide me a retirement package, benefits, and a great salary, my dad plans to retire in 4-5 years. As of now we are growing the business: have a website, doing local advertising, working with 3 different insurance companies etc. Anyone ever been faced in a similar dilemma? When you run your own business everything falls on your shoulders, and right now I have been acting as the apprentice, administrative assistant, accounts payable, etc...but the business does have it own perks. Any insight..

    -plus me and my old man bump heads alot, and its frustrating.

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    it does have it's perks but alot of headache comes with it. do you have employees?

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    Quote Originally Posted by snupytcb View Post
    it does have it's perks but alot of headache comes with it. do you have employees?
    well in the summer we had 1-2 guys who are able to work with us, mainly guys retired, they have known my dad for 20+ years and have 20+ years experience. They want to stay busy and they will lead a job or pick up a side call here or there, but as for employee's just me. I have a buddy who is in tech school, hopefully in a couple years he could jump right in and we could sub out work, but for the foreseeable future its just me and dad.

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    Stay put and get all the experience you can. If you can't get along with your own pops you will probably have trouble wherever you go. Remember this, and I speak from experience, wherever you go there YOU are.,

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    Quote Originally Posted by toocoolforschool View Post
    Stay put and get all the experience you can. If you can't get along with your own pops you will probably have trouble wherever you go. Remember this, and I speak from experience, wherever you go there YOU are.,
    Thanks too cool, I will consider it.

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    do you ever look forward to running the business? for me it was something i always wanted to do. my friend had a business and for the most part had "my area" locked . when he told me he was selling, i saw an oppertunity and acted. it worked out very well for me. i think more timing than anything else. it's funny cause when i told him i was moving my biz he started up again. if it is something you look forward to you should give it a try. i believe most everyone should try it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snupytcb View Post
    do you ever look forward to running the business? for me it was something i always wanted to do. my friend had a business and for the most part had "my area" locked . when he told me he was selling, i saw an oppertunity and acted. it worked out very well for me. i think more timing than anything else. it's funny cause when i told him i was moving my biz he started up again. if it is something you look forward to you should give it a try. i believe most everyone should try it.
    Yea I have always wanted to be my own boss. I believe a 9-5 is for the birds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sto2299001 View Post
    Yea I have always wanted to be my own boss. I believe a 9-5 is for the birds.
    It's good you feel this way because when you own your own business it's 24/7/365 for quite some time. The upside potential is large, but it doesn't come without sacrifice. Some sacrifice their hobbies/free time, others sacrifice their health, others sacrifice their families...make sure the sacrifice you make is temporary and you own the business the business doesn't own you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KnewYork View Post
    It's good you feel this way because when you own your own business it's 24/7/365 for quite some time. The upside potential is large, but it doesn't come without sacrifice. Some sacrifice their hobbies/free time, others sacrifice their health, others sacrifice their families...make sure the sacrifice you make is temporary and you own the business the business doesn't own you.
    AMEN!
    "I've failed over and over and over again in my life and that is why I succeed."

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    Quote Originally Posted by sto2299001 View Post
    Yea I have always wanted to be my own boss. I believe a 9-5 is for the birds.
    9-5 is for the birds. 24/7/365 is for the real men

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    Quote Originally Posted by MechanicallyInclined View Post
    I'd say join your Union Local, but don't quit your job. Only quit when the Local sends you to work on a service dispatch. The Sheet Metal Workers Union? The guy above must've had a bad life long experience with them. HVACR is UA work!
    Yeah, HVACR is UA work.

    I guess that's why the BA's, other union officers and teachers at a nearby UA local hold building trades cards, not the lower scale HVACR cards... or that new "residential" "R-card" even lower scale BS they came up with.

    Quote Originally Posted by sto2299001 View Post
    Thanks alot, gonna take your advice. Thanks for replying!
    Good luck.

    You can provide your own health insurance and set up your own retirement. Not that it's any better or easier to do it for yourself, but being part of an established company will help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by craig1 View Post
    9-5 is for the birds. 24/7/365 is for the real men
    hell yea!

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    Be open and honest with your Dad, notice I didn't say to not respect him. If he's truly going to retire in just a few years, then you'd be in the right place with experience to "take over" once he goes. I have a son in my business, and sometimes we don't see "eye to eye" however he's coming along and has almost all his certifications. Just hang in there and sit down in a year or so to have a serious heart to heart with Dad and feel him out. You need to start making some plans for the business. And you DON'T want to end up your Dad's age and be the only employee. That's not a valid "retirement" plan in my book! Be respectfully honest with him about your concerns and fears! Hang in there!
    Remember, Patience is a virtue, seldom possessed by the young!!

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