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  1. #92
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    It's interesting how liberal's first response to tragedy is restricting freedoms, while conservatives tend to look towards opposite solutions.

    If as a society we decided to make our school's as safe as we can in a free society, we could. I believe a good percentage of teachers and administrators would be happy and willing to train up. Local police departments could arrange for the training, both initial and ongoing programs. They would probably be delighted for the community involvement. The suggestion about vets getting involved also makes a lot of sense, especially if they had MP training.

    What we will get is some liberal feel good non solution like a Brady bill, that our leaders can point to come election time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by forged alloy View Post
    It's interesting how liberal's first response to tragedy is restricting freedoms, while conservatives tend to look towards opposite solutions.

    If as a society we decided to make our school's as safe as we can in a free society, we could. I believe a good percentage of teachers and administrators would be happy and willing to train up. Local police departments could arrange for the training, both initial and ongoing programs. They would probably be delighted for the community involvement. The suggestion about vets getting involved also makes a lot of sense, especially if they had MP training.

    What we will get is some liberal feel good non solution like a Brady bill, that our leaders can point to come election time.
    I feel genuinely sorry for Jim Brady. The Bill named for him is very unfortunate, because it does nothing to keep people like Hinckley from getting a weapon illegally.

    In fact, no bill can keep someone from getting a gun illegally.

    BUT we can keep a demented person like Hinckley, or Lanza, from getting ANY gun. That's what I have been talking about.
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  3. #94
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    Violence.
    My kids school, my other kids daycare are locked and you must get buzzed in. The schools I work for are locked and you must report to the main office (preFridays ordeal).
    This kid in connecticut shot his way through a door.... he was not getting stopped, he wanted in!
    Would it be nice if every weapon on earth was melted.... sure
    Would it be nice if every single person was armed.......sure
    Would it be nice to have a school operate more like a military base......sure
    Those are not the solutions friends, we all have opinions, we currently have 8 pages of them alone on this site. There is not one of use (tradesmen or woman) that would have not have ran at this kid with an assault rifle when he ran at the school, I think most of use would have just reacted to this guy, same as the fellow in Colorado.
    We need to have better control of our kids, sounds to me like all of these shooting cases could have been intervined by a professional or mom and dad collaborating on a solution to help their kids out. We dont view mental health as a serious problem until BS like this occurs.
    My solution:
    Get help for these kids!!
    Mom and Dad need to get sh$$ together and pay more attention to bobby who is disconnected from the world, find what is going on!
    Ban high capacity clips, why does a person need a 30 round magazine!! We are not in the congo or the desert or at war are we?
    Ban assault rifles, why the f do we need these damn things around, I am armed at my home with hand guns and rifles (hunting), someone breaks into my home my first action is to get kids into my and my wifes bedroom and barricade the room, call cops, then pull out the hand gun as a last resort. That is all I need is to kill a 15 year old kid becouse he wanted to take a few of my things.
    So,
    Ban assault weapons
    Ban high capacity magazines
    Get help for mentally sick kids
    Mom and Dad take charge and responsibility!!!

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    As somebody from a country with very low levels of gun ownership, and extremely low levels of gun crime,(5 murders in 2011/12 and 11 attempted murders) I have read these pages with fascination. We have had tragedy in the not too distant past, at Dunblane primary school (about 25miles from my home) and afterwards the recriminations all centered on the treatment, or lack thereof of the gunmans mental health. Not once was there a call for armed guards or every citizen to have access to weapons. Infact, gun ownership became far more difficult, even air rifles being banned. If there is extremely restricted access to firearms, and appropriate medical care for the mentally ill, then surely these incidents can be almost eradicated?

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    I think there should be a mandate like the new health insurance law!!!!


    Quote Originally Posted by qwerty hvac View Post
    Many of you may not like this idea but if everyone carried a gun this guy would have been stopped. People need to train themselves on how to use and carry a firearm. People would think twice before committing crimes if they knew they were taking a big chance pulling out a gun.


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    Just like pilots are armed in airplanes, why, to protect the lives of passengers. we always seem to think its the gun that is the problem, when in fact its our society and the way anyone can be a broken or mentally unstable and get free help, if not be subsidised by our government. I grew up in the 60s and 70s when we all were responsible for ourselves and our children if they were defective. society doesnt make them defective, whatever happened to asylums?, not politicaly correct anymore because everyone has the same rights?, bs, i carry and i support our freedom thru the second amendment, our country is going to hell in a handbasket because of liberals who want to just give to make it better, BS!!
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    Where are you getting your facts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boabcelt View Post
    As somebody from a country with very low levels of gun ownership, and extremely low levels of gun crime,(5 murders in 2011/12 and 11 attempted murders) I have read these pages with fascination. We have had tragedy in the not too distant past, at Dunblane primary school (about 25miles from my home) and afterwards the recriminations all centered on the treatment, or lack thereof of the gunmans mental health. Not once was there a call for armed guards or every citizen to have access to weapons. Infact, gun ownership became far more difficult, even air rifles being banned. If there is extremely restricted access to firearms, and appropriate medical care for the mentally ill, then surely these incidents can be almost eradicated?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boabcelt View Post
    As somebody from a country with very low levels of gun ownership, and extremely low levels of gun crime,(5 murders in 2011/12 and 11 attempted murders) I have read these pages with fascination. We have had tragedy in the not too distant past, at Dunblane primary school (about 25miles from my home) and afterwards the recriminations all centered on the treatment, or lack thereof of the gunmans mental health. Not once was there a call for armed guards or every citizen to have access to weapons. Infact, gun ownership became far more difficult, even air rifles being banned. If there is extremely restricted access to firearms, and appropriate medical care for the mentally ill, then surely these incidents can be almost eradicated?
    As a man of Scottish descent, I don't have to remind you that it is countries like America that are the reason you are not speaking German right now. An unarmed Scottish population would have been easy prey for the storm troopers. So, you have the luxury of others coming to your aid, when needed. We, on the other hand, expend our blood and treasure of behalf of keeping others free, along with ourselves.

    The founders of the US enshrined our right to bear arms so that we, the populace, could protect ourselves from any future tyrants. We are not having these shootings because of guns, but because of the individuals who can circumvent the current laws and acquire those guns for a a demented purpose. We used to make certain these unbalanced folks received treatment, and were sequestered from the more balanced population until that treatment was completed.

    This is not a slam against Scotland, or my ancestral town of Rutherglen. It's merely a fact that if you did not have a United States that was willing to cross the ocean in the 1940's, you too would need to have a well armed populace, and would need to take the same measures we must take now to ensure our safety from the depressed and psychotic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by durussel78 View Post
    So,
    Ban assault weapons
    Ban high capacity magazines
    Unfortunately, high capacity magazines and assaust weapons are not the problem. My XD40 holds 12 in the mag. My XD9 holds 15. Add a round to the chamber and that's 13 or 16, depending on the gun. These are not high capacity magazines. I can eject and replace a magazine in either gun in about 2 seconds and have a new round chambered in another 1-1.5 seconds. I have 4 magazines for each gun. My point is, that in 10-15 seconds I can rattle off 30 rounds, which isn't much slower than an AR-15 with a 30 round magazine if time is being taken between shots for accuracy. If I'm carrying both, I can shoot 29 rounds even faster because I shoot left and right handed. Not much difference in time and rounds fired between my handguns and an AR-15 with a 30 round mag.
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    Banning high capacity magazines is like NY banning sodas larger than 16oz. If I want more I'll get a second one.
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    Officially, Down for the count

    YOU HAVE TO GET OFF YOUR ASS TO GET ON YOUR FEET

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    GA is gonna post something positive about this tragedy; this is posted at the '26 dead...' thread also'

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    Here is one more 'armed citizen' video (no, nobody gets shot)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=V-oNMHNrS-8

    As you watch this, note how bored the govt officials are... as if they really care about citizens... ]

    In GA's opinion... this is the REAL issue; govt is not here for us, they are here for themselves. Think about it.
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