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    Quote Originally Posted by qwerty hvac View Post
    Many of you may not like this idea but if everyone carried a gun this guy would have been stopped. People need to train themselves on how to use and carry a firearm. People would think twice before committing crimes if they knew they were taking a big chance pulling out a gun.


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    So every teacher needs a gun now? What about the teachers assistants; we have to arm them and train them annually with Baretta's? How about substitute teachers? The secretary in the front office needs a 45 and the principals need Mac 10s? Good enough for me. How about the janitor? I forgot about the cafeteria ladies as well....... My concern is that teachers are human and if one of them has a bad day or week or becomes mentally unstable the kids are in the same danger they were in before. All adults have breakdowns and issues. We can place trust in these people to instruct children, but giving them weapons is not and should never be in their job description. They have enough stress worrying about test scores, preparing lesson plans, dealing with individual learning curves and behavior issues. Pay someone a good wage to protect our children and use technology and common sense to secure our schools.

    Bottom line everyone doesn't need a gun at our schools. Competent armed security personnel and police can handle attackers and would reduce these tragedies. The guy in Connecticut knew no one would be shooting back at him, those kids didn't have a chance. Even if the teacher had a weapon if the guy put a bullet in her forehead before she could get a shot off having a weapon with a full clip would be useless. Several police officers are killed by gunfire every year and they are armed and have vests. More guns in society is not the answer, more guns would take verbal and physical confrontations and turn them into shootouts. BTW, I respect everyones right to have guns but school security should be at the top of our discussion, not the second amendment and whether obama is going to knock on our doors and take our AKs and AR-15s away. Its selfish and disrespectful to the victims of this tragedy to focus on politics after this situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by number88 View Post
    So every teacher needs a gun now? What about the teachers assistants; we have to arm them and train them annually with Baretta's? How about substitute teachers? The secretary in the front office needs a 45 and the principals need Mac 10s? Good enough for me. How about the janitor? I forgot about the cafeteria ladies as well....... My concern is that teachers are human and if one of them has a bad day or week or becomes mentally unstable the kids are in the same danger they were in before. All adults have breakdowns and issues. We can place trust in these people to instruct children, but giving them weapons is not and should never be in their job description. They have enough stress worrying about test scores, preparing lesson plans, dealing with individual learning curves and behavior issues. Pay someone a good wage to protect our children and use technology and common sense to secure our schools.

    Bottom line everyone doesn't need a gun at our schools. Competent armed security personnel and police can handle attackers and would reduce these tragedies. The guy in Connecticut knew no one would be shooting back at him, those kids didn't have a chance. Even if the teacher had a weapon if the guy put a bullet in her forehead before she could get a shot off having a weapon with a full clip would be useless. Several police officers are killed by gunfire every year and they are armed and have vests. More guns in society is not the answer, more guns would take verbal and physical confrontations and turn them into shootouts. BTW, I respect everyones right to have guns but school security should be at the top of our discussion, not the second amendment and whether obama is going to knock on our doors and take our AKs and AR-15s away. Its selfish and disrespectful to the victims of this tragedy to focus on politics after this situation.
    http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative...e-2511412.html

    read it and think about it a little.

    Nobody is saying that EVERY teacher should be armed, but rather that teachers should have the CHOICE to arm themselves.

    As the law stands today, they do not have that CHOICE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jpsmith1cm View Post
    http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative...e-2511412.html

    read it and think about it a little.

    Nobody is saying that EVERY teacher should be armed, but rather that teachers should have the CHOICE to arm themselves.

    As the law stands today, they do not have that CHOICE.
    Correct.

    A potential shooter should have no idea just who has a weapon, or what kind. It's the idea that someone will stop him before he gets to accomplish his purpose that acts as the deterrent, not merely that he could be killed, because that is not usually a concern for these guys. They are not worried about their own fate, but they DO want to get their own havoc imposed before they go.

    How many people who have carry permits just "have a bad day" and go shooting up a place? Have you EVER heard of that? I have never heard of such an occurrence, which means that if that has happened, it is RARE.

    At my academy (where the movie Taps was filmed, btw) we had lots and lots of guns, and we never had one incident where a weapon was discharged anywhere but the range or a ceremonial firing, like a funeral. You would think that in 80+ years, and a corps of over a thousand students, that it would have happened at least once, right?

    Nope.

    So teachers having a gun? Yes. I'm more than okay with that idea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jpsmith1cm View Post
    http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative...e-2511412.html

    read it and think about it a little.

    Nobody is saying that EVERY teacher should be armed, but rather that teachers should have the CHOICE to arm themselves.

    As the law stands today, they do not have that CHOICE.
    Not much to argue with there!!!!
    Wonder how many will take the time to read it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jpsmith1cm View Post
    http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative...e-2511412.html

    read it and think about it a little.

    Nobody is saying that EVERY teacher should be armed, but rather that teachers should have the CHOICE to arm themselves.

    As the law stands today, they do not have that CHOICE.
    I understand your argument. Nothing would be full proof. But more guns doesnt solve it this issue has multiple layers. Mental health, assault weapons and the access we have to them, school safety, etc... The guns used in this tragedy and the one in aurora colorado were purchased legally. Im not anti gun as I have had an M4 for a while now. Im against schools being unsafe. A few resource officers armed at every school is fine. When the shooting at the mall in oregon happened no one said the people at the verizon kiosks and the food court should be armed. If a few select people who are responsible want to carry a weapon thats fine but how can we really determine who is reponsible and we cannot control anyones mind so how do we know if a person is 100% stable or not? The kid who was killed for playing loud music at a gas station was killed by a guy with a permit if I remember correctly. If that gun is not in that guys possession there would have never been an argument about the music. But since he had a weapon he felt bold he didnt act in protection he attacked someone who had no.way to defend himself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dsprice View Post
    I carry. I have never had to be read my meranda rights. I'm not the one you need to be afraid of. In fact, it is me, or someone like me, that may save your sorry, feel good liberal ass one day. Then you'll be thanking God that we do carry.

    If everybody had this attitude, the US would be safer. All you anti-gunners out there want the government to take control and make new laws to keep this from happening again. Most of you don't even know the difference between a semi- automatic, and an automatic. Most of you for some reason think that an AR-15 can do way more damage than a .45 pistol. Instead of sitting on your ass and *****ing about our gun laws, do some research on these weapons, go to a gun store and get one, take responsibility for yourself and your family and train train train, so that when **** hits the fan, your not waiting on the government to take charge, you can do it yourself.
    If everyone thought this way, crazies wouldn't get away with this crap. When was the last time you heard of a mass shooting at a police station, or a military base. Don't even bring up ft hood. That was an inside attack. I'm talking about someone breaching the base from the outside in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chaard View Post
    I just emailed a couple of congressman in my district to consider passing new legislation.
    It's not for gun control. I don't believe in that.
    But I do believe that we can make schools safer by two ways.
    One locking down every school during session. Yes the kids can go outside for recess. But no one can just walk in without showing ID and being buzzed in by the administration.
    Second would be to post an armed guard at the door to every school building.
    I realize it would be a huge financial burden but its worth it. I would even ve willing to pay more in taxes to make this happen. Our kids are worth it.
    Third, former military personnel would get top priority for these positions. We have too many unemployed vets that are looking for work. This would be a boost for them and our economy by employing thousands of guards.
    If you agree email your congressman.
    right on Mr Chaard....our friends are visiting their granddaughter in Israel and he sent back a picture of a classroom teacher (female) teaching a class of young ones with an assault weapon hanging on her....never happen here , so your idea is golden...Jack
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    Quote Originally Posted by number88 View Post
    I understand your argument. Nothing would be full proof. But more guns doesnt solve it this issue has multiple layers. Mental health, assault weapons and the access we have to them, school safety, etc... The guns used in this tragedy and the one in aurora colorado were purchased legally. Im not anti gun as I have had an M4 for a while now. Im against schools being unsafe. A few resource officers armed at every school is fine. When the shooting at the mall in oregon happened no one said the people at the verizon kiosks and the food court should be armed. If a few select people who are responsible want to carry a weapon thats fine but how can we really determine who is reponsible and we cannot control anyones mind so how do we know if a person is 100% stable or not? The kid who was killed for playing loud music at a gas station was killed by a guy with a permit if I remember correctly. If that gun is not in that guys possession there would have never been an argument about the music. But since he had a weapon he felt bold he didnt act in protection he attacked someone who had no.way to defend himself.
    Actually, there are no "multiple layers."

    You and I cannot buy an assault weapon. No one can, legally. Assault weapons have a full auto capability. We can only buy weapons that LOOK like assault weapons. The Bushmaster is a semi-automatic weapon, just like the majority of rifles that are not bolt action.

    The weapons used in Aurora were stolen by the shooters. Stolen, from the rightful owners.

    The only real layer is the duty of our society to protect the average citizen, including school children, from crazy people.

    It is indeed, that simple.

    The ability of non-crazy people to carry a weapon to defend themselves against the crazy is KEY.

    The occasion of abuse with a gun is part of the price we pay, willingly, as a free society. If you have a link to a story of someone with a carry permit committing a crime with their weapon, it will be the first such account I have seen. Please forward a link to that story.
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    It is a VERY SAD thing to have happened.

    And yet everyone forgets that its not just the CRAZY'S , even the PROS make mistakes when it comes to RETURN FIRE , remember the shootings in NYC back in August reulting in 2 dead and 8 bystanders were wounded, possibly all of them by police bullets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Control Man View Post
    It is a VERY SAD thing to have happened.

    And yet everyone forgets that its not just the CRAZY'S , even the PROS make mistakes when it comes to RETURN FIRE , remember the shootings in NYC back in August reulting in 2 dead and 8 bystanders were wounded, possibly all of them by police bullets.
    There is no way for imperfect Man to make this a perfect world.

    Protecting ourselves from the mentally unstable is, no pun intended, a "no brainer."
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    Quote Originally Posted by timebuilder View Post
    There is no way for imperfect Man to make this a perfect world.

    Protecting ourselves from the mentally unstable is, no pun intended, a "no brainer."

    Interesting read http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/1...n_2311009.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2sac View Post
    Old news to me.
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