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    I have to agree that government is more concerned about appearing cooperative and being invited to the popular Washington parties, along with being written about favorably in the Press, than they are in being sent there to do a job under the Constitution as a representative of the People.

    This is why a new conservative movement has arisen, about which the Republican party apparatus complains bitterly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ga-hvac-tech View Post
    Here is one more 'armed citizen' video (no, nobody gets shot)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=V-oNMHNrS-8

    As you watch this, note how bored the govt officials are... as if they really care about citizens... ]

    In GA's opinion... this is the REAL issue; govt is not here for us, they are here for themselves. Think about it.
    That video awesome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by timebuilder View Post
    I have to agree that government is more concerned about appearing cooperative and being invited to the popular Washington parties, along with being written about favorably in the Press, than they are in being sent there to do a job under the Constitution as a representative of the People.

    This is why a new conservative movement has arisen, about which the Republican party apparatus complains bitterly.
    Good observation!

    In 2010; the TeaParty folks (read that traditional conservatives) gained a lot of power in the GOP, and stopped the tide of govt gone crazy.
    Then the 'old guard' got control of the GOP and look how much we lost in 2012.

    The old guard needs to go out to pasture, the GOP needs to be rebuilt with TeaParty folks (or another name for conservatives). Time for the people to run this country, rather than a few elitists who buy influence on the backs of the citizens.
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    What about HVAC systems that gas the whole school with Haylon or Nitros or some other gas that would be a lot safer thatn a bullet. Someone will pointout that there are dangers associated with gas, but I know for a fact Nitros is safer than getting shot. I have done both. Bullets hurt. Nitros makes fillings fun.

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    Oh and buy a lot of guns and keep them locked in a big safe and you will be fine on every occasion.

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    Would any of us want to be on the school board when the TV cameras come to discuss why little Johnny or Amy died over the gassing?

    We all know the reason for the gassing... as well as the fact it stopped the shooter would be lost in poor little Johnny or Amy... and their poor parents.

    MeThinks we need to either curb sensationalistic media, or us citizens need to decide we do not want to hear sensationalism anymore... rather factual reporting.
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    How many time does someone have to say this:

    Guns do not kill people, people kill people.

    Show me a gun in a box or cabinet or for that matter sitting on a table... without anyone touching it... that killed someone... go on, show me. Until you goofy libs who are choosing to live in denial can show me a gun that killed someone without a human touching it... as far as those of us who think clearly are concerned you are just full of hot air... and there is a big pin to stick in the balloon... the pin is called common sense...
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    Quote Originally Posted by allenrobinson2269 View Post
    What about HVAC systems that gas the whole school with Haylon or Nitros or some other gas that would be a lot safer thatn a bullet. Someone will pointout that there are dangers associated with gas, but I know for a fact Nitros is safer than getting shot. I have done both. Bullets hurt. Nitros makes fillings fun.
    Maybe someday we will have a harmless sleeping gas, like they used to keep people away from Devil's Tower, in the Close Encounters movie.

    Until then, our best hope for safety is to sequester and treat the looneys, and have a trained person at the school as a backup. I would prefer that such a person not be easily identifiable to an intruder, either, so the element of surprise is not lost in the encounter. A guy in police or military style security garb is too easy to spot.
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    Memory may be a bit foggy here... I think there was a time in Russia where a group of terrorists took a movie theatre... The Russian cops (or whatever they call their SWAT guys), DID gas the theatre. The result was about half a dozen folks died from the gassing... after a gunfight.

    So while it sounds like a good idea... we have evidence it did not work as well as it sounds.

    What I want to know is: What is wrong with armed responsible citizens?
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    Good point about uniform of under-cover!

    Seems the first thing a crazy would do is take out the uniform guy/gal.

    Ya know... thinking about this: Is the person really crazy? They planned this thing....

    Mental health is more complicated than just looking for someone cross-eyed who drools.

    Might be an interesting discussion to attempt to define what is mentally healthy and is mentally unhealthy, and what is mentally dangerous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ga-hvac-tech View Post
    Good point about uniform of under-cover!

    Seems the first thing a crazy would do is take out the uniform guy/gal.

    Ya know... thinking about this: Is the person really crazy? They planned this thing....

    Mental health is more complicated than just looking for someone cross-eyed who drools.

    Might be an interesting discussion to attempt to define what is mentally healthy and is mentally unhealthy, and what is mentally dangerous.
    I think the key is to err on the side of caution, and once a lack of danger is determined, then release for treatment from home, by appointment.

    Mental illness doe not mean that you can't "plan" something. It simply affects what you desire to plan.
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