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  1. #14
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    If the employee feels strongly about it then they need to request the employer provides training and PPE. They can go to OSHA if they choose. Bottom line is if safety is a concern of yours but not your employer then you need to find another employer. As far as going too far I was referring more so to the residential area. The company I work for has been in business for almost a hundred years and never had an incident. We work on commercial equipment, however it is rare we work on anything over 600 volts. However it is odd all of the sudden when you walk into an office building suited to the gills to work on a 277 volt watersource unit.

  2. #15
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    R.S.E.S HAD A NICE TRAINING 'HIGH VOLTAGE WERE THYE ACTUALY USED LIVE VOLAGE AND CARBON ARCH FRIED HOT DOGS AND MADE FIREWORKS DISCUSED HOT STICKS AND FLAME SUITES LOCK OUT TAG OUTS 4160 DOWN TO 120 . BETTER SEVICE THROUGH KNOWLEDGE ...

  3. #16
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    NFPA 70E is a complicated statute, and for better understanding one should read it in its entirety. The premise is...electricity is dangerous, and we want you to go home to your family tonite. If you get that, you can understand why they want you to wear it. It is for live voltage greater than fifty volts in most cases if memory serves correctly,which means we can only service the low voltage side without protection.

    If you want ot read up on it, you can join NFPA and read documents online.

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    Quote Originally Posted by david chamberla View Post
    R.S.E.S HAD A NICE TRAINING 'HIGH VOLTAGE WERE THYE ACTUALY USED LIVE VOLAGE AND CARBON ARCH FRIED HOT DOGS AND MADE FIREWORKS DISCUSED HOT STICKS AND FLAME SUITES LOCK OUT TAG OUTS 4160 DOWN TO 120 . BETTER SEVICE THROUGH KNOWLEDGE ...
    WHY ARE YOU USING ALL CAPS....?
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  5. #18
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    All of us got certified today since we are working at a bottling plant, strange thing is that we never heard of it until going through this plant. After digging into it last week we realized its the law of the land. For us we will only need to worry about having 00 gloves and level 2 PPE. There was some grumbling from the guys but we all told stories and at the end everyone realized it does make sense to do it. Many times the hair on my neck stood up because I knew I shouldn't have my face so close when a contractor snaps, another guy had a VFD blow up in front of him. After having kids all I think about is not being here for them and the safety stuff makes sense.

    By the way OSHA goes after the employer regardless of how negligent the employee is. Now if the employer wants to get the lawyers to go after the employee that's different but OSHA specifically said they do not go after the guys

  6. #19
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    i believe that OSHA 'in principle' is doing a good job, however, 'in practice' they believe that they can pass laws that will keep a 2 year-old safe in a war zone.

    of course OSHA is going to go after the company...if you are hurt and in a hospital, you probably aren't getting paid and the company has deeper pockets. the concept is that if they scare the company into compliance everybody will be safe...b.s.

    i know that i am safer than i have ever been...and not because of OSHA. i wear cut-resistant gloves all the time. safety glasses too. and that is just for regular ol' stuff. i am supposed to wear the arc flash on the >50 VAC, but it really doesn't come out unless it is a nominal 200 VAC or higher...then i get suited up. i have witnessed some scary stuff and it was at much lower voltages than most of you would think. please keep in mind that the equipment that you are working on doesn't know that it isn't supposed to fail. it will fail when it wants and how it wants...you may just be in the wrong place at the wrong time.

    keep in mind, that if you don't want to wear the safety gear (arc flash or not), many companies are rating their contractors based on their safety ratings. in some places, if you are the safe contractor, you get the work regardless of how much you charge per hour. being safe can be profitable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jayguy View Post
    i believe that OSHA 'in principle' is doing a good job, however, 'in practice' they believe that they can pass laws that will keep a 2 year-old safe in a war zone.

    of course OSHA is going to go after the company...if you are hurt and in a hospital, you probably aren't getting paid and the company has deeper pockets. the concept is that if they scare the company into compliance everybody will be safe...b.s.

    i know that i am safer than i have ever been...and not because of OSHA. i wear cut-resistant gloves all the time. safety glasses too. and that is just for regular ol' stuff. i am supposed to wear the arc flash on the >50 VAC, but it really doesn't come out unless it is a nominal 200 VAC or higher...then i get suited up. i have witnessed some scary stuff and it was at much lower voltages than most of you would think. please keep in mind that the equipment that you are working on doesn't know that it isn't supposed to fail. it will fail when it wants and how it wants...you may just be in the wrong place at the wrong time.

    keep in mind, that if you don't want to wear the safety gear (arc flash or not), many companies are rating their contractors based on their safety ratings. in some places, if you are the safe contractor, you get the work regardless of how much you charge per hour. being safe can be profitable.
    And at the same time, you have to be careful what you say... You should not be wearing cut resistant glove "all of the time"... a Power tool constitutes almost all types of glove an absolute no no. Trust me with this, literally took two fingers off my left hand because of a poor judgement in protective clothing...

    X2 on the contractor rating system. Without a good rating, you could be eliminating from the bidding pool just based on a few lazy people that get hurt because their safety glass are uncomfortable...

    I keep a spare pair of tethered ear plugs in my pocket just to flick them at the face of some dumbass that thinks working next to a 125db machine without hearing protection makes him tough or cool.

    Still... You should see the looks on peoples faces when you walk out of a mechanical room when you walk out of there wearing a 15 cal/cm arc suit... You would think you had a 15lb booger on your jacket...

    GT
    If a day goes by and you have learned nothing, I hope you got a lot of sleep.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GT Jets View Post
    And at the same time, you have to be careful what you say... You should not be wearing cut resistant glove "all of the time"... a Power tool constitutes almost all types of glove an absolute no no. Trust me with this, literally took two fingers off my left hand because of a poor judgement in protective clothing...

    X2 on the contractor rating system. Without a good rating, you could be eliminating from the bidding pool just based on a few lazy people that get hurt because their safety glass are uncomfortable...

    I keep a spare pair of tethered ear plugs in my pocket just to flick them at the face of some dumbass that thinks working next to a 125db machine without hearing protection makes him tough or cool.

    Still... You should see the looks on peoples faces when you walk out of a mechanical room when you walk out of there wearing a 15 cal/cm arc suit... You would think you had a 15lb booger on your jacket...

    GT
    We call that the "bomb suit". Only one of our guys has one, so things are pretty interesting for our high voltage electricians.

    Those who paid attention during the training changed how they do things.

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