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  1. #1
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    New Trane System

    I have a quote for a new Trane system in western WA as follows:

    Furnace XC95m - modulating 3 ton 97.3% variable speed. TUHMB060ACV3VA

    Heat Pump XL20i 4TWZ0036B

    Thermostat XL950 - ComfortLink II TZONE950AC52ZA
    Additional kit

    Evaporator Coil: 4TXCB004CC3H

    Air cleaner 17" TFD175ALFR000B

    CleanEffects™ Connection Kit for Modulating Furnace - BAYACCECOMM100
    The quote seems high, but I also have some questions based on my reading here.

    On the furnace, I read that "Comfort R needs to be set up correctly." What does this mean? How is this done? And also, assuming this system works properly, the heat pump should run like 80% of the time? So it seems like this furnace is overkill. I don't want to go to the XC80 as it is much lower efficiency, but there's nothing communicating in between?

    On the thermostat, is it possible to program in fuel costs (by therm) so these can be taken into account by the system? Does the XL950 really have Zwave, and is this additional kit needed?

    On the evap coil, I read here that it is better to slightly oversize it. But the next size up in this coil is 60k btu. That seems like too much of a jump from 36k. So I went to the next-best coil in 3.5 ton, the 4TXCB042BC3, and 4 ton, the 4TXCB048BC3, but neither shows up in AHRI as an approved system. So it doesn't seem possible to slightly over-size the coil with the newest equipment?

    On the air cleaner, is this true electrostatic? The contractor doesn't know and doesn't really want to check. I see it has a prefilter, and then an electronic module, so I suspect it is. So how would this be cleaned? Are they reliable?

    My contractor is not the sharpest tool in the shed, but he's the only choice if I want Trane in this area.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quantumstate View Post
    My contractor is not the sharpest tool in the shed, but he's the only choice if I want Trane in this area.
    So basically your taking brand over brains?
    “Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one.” –Albert Einstein
    “Experience is a hard teacher because she gives the test first, the lesson afterwards.”-Vernon Law

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    and sounds like he OP is doing the load calc, or asking the questions, here!

    this sounds like a WOS in the making and complaining HO after install!
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    Alrighty then, thanks for the helpful advice. I get the picture; I'll find another forum.

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    No, you need to find a dealer who IS the sharpest tool in the shed. If this guy who isn't is the only Trane dealer, we're saying it would be unwise to buy a Trane. Find the best and sharpest dealer first then worry about brands. Trane is great but not if installed or sized improperly. When you want high end equipment to perform flawlessly, you want the best installer or it won't.

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    Please don't be condescending. I'll look elsewhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quantumstate View Post
    Please don't be condescending. I'll look elsewhere.
    They weren't condescending...its extremely good advice. The final product has to be installed properly into a duct system and house and then setup properly and like others have said find an excellent installation company and don't worry about the brand as long as it has the features you want.
    It's not the Brand with the fewest repairs-It's all in the install!!! Attention to detail and using the best materials!

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    What I'm saying is it's going to either be Carrier or Trane (or Am Std). Maybe you don't understand that, but that is my decision. And I don't have alot of choice who installs it because the industry is locked up tight, as you know.

    So I am doing the best I can to get the info I need to make sure this is done properly. What is a forum for? I think it is to ask questions, and that is exactly what I've done, but have only gotten crap from the likes of worthless Mr Bill.

    I've already done a great deal of research, as you can see. I didn't just fall off the turnip truck. I have been a commercial real estate developer for 22 years. So you can talk to me like a grown-up. If you don't know the answers, don't just give me crap and make yourself look bad. Life's too short.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quantumstate View Post
    What I'm saying is it's going to either be Carrier or Trane (or Am Std). Maybe you don't understand that, but that is my decision.
    Got to be an engineer to think brand, because they don't understand simple things like a good install with builders quality equipment, is better than a bad install with Carrier or Trane. They would think good quality, compensates for a bad installation, funny thing is most all have the same compressor now days, maybe Carrier or Trane has better pressure switches.
    “Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one.” –Albert Einstein
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    I guess you're a Fedders man, Mr Bill...

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    [QUOTE=Quantumstate;14741251]I guess you're a Fedders man, Mr Bill...

    Maybe the answer is to just open my own account with my GC license and buy the equipment on a commercial account, if y'all don't think this guy is qualified.[/QUOTE

    That would be more disasterous than your orignal plan of using a "dull tool".

    My company would GIVE YOU load calc, duct analysis, equipment selected to your preferences, matchup documentation, full proposal on EVERYTHING we were going to do including extra safety devices.

    GC? I only do GC's personal houses....they usually use the cheap dull tools for their customers
    It's not the Brand with the fewest repairs-It's all in the install!!! Attention to detail and using the best materials!

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    But you are not here, are you beshvac? And those weren't my questions anyway.

    This is my personal house. I am a commercial developer.

    Well, we're not getting anywhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quantumstate View Post
    But you are not here, are you beshvac? And those weren't my questions anyway.

    This is my personal house. I am a commercial developer.

    Well, we're not getting anywhere.
    No we are not, but there are probably guys just as good in your location-you can recognize a dull tool so the sharp ones will stand out too. Don't be hung up on brand, Brands are truly not nationwide and a lot of a brands performance in your area depends on the local distributor support.
    It's not the Brand with the fewest repairs-It's all in the install!!! Attention to detail and using the best materials!

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