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    You MERICAN's Tell me a Thing or 2 would ya

    I do not understand what you guys are always talking about when you say Liberal this Conservtive That Left wing ETC Can someone give me a breakdown of what Each one means. Is it as simple as saying If you like Bush you this and if you liked clinton your that?

    I understand how it is about our goverment in canada but I don't know of people saying well your a Liberal so thats why your the way you are.

    So just looking I geuss of what it means to You guys to be Each one. I know the diffinition is but want the heartfelt meaning.

    This is the ask our polticians area right?

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    Liberal left wing nuts are Clinton, and conservative republicans are bush.


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    the term "liberal" in America is used incorrectly.

    it started because the Republicans thought the Democrats were lenient about certain laws such as immigration. they were "liberal" about allowing illegals to break the law.
    but time has shown the Democrats follow hard-core Socialist policy and are actually very militant.
    the modern Democrat's hostility toward traditional and conservative politics doesn't make them "liberal" about anything

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    So substitute scum for liberal?


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    It's used to keep us divided, It's a buzz word both parties use to keep there membership walking lock and step with there parties. That's why we have such a poor caliber of politicians running the country. A republican way say "he's a liberal!" and his party will vote for him and a democrat will "he's a conservative!" and his party will vote for him. Truth is there are republicans with liberal views and democrats with conservative views.

    Your not going to understand it because it's nonsense. It's really kind of dumb when you think about it. When somebody asks me if I'm a liberal or conservative I just tell them it depends on the subject.

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    There all liars and crooks anyways.


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    Quote Originally Posted by OldSchoolMech View Post
    I do not understand what you guys are always talking about when you say Liberal this Conservtive That Left wing ETC Can someone give me a breakdown of what Each one means. Is it as simple as saying If you like Bush you this and if you liked clinton your that?

    I understand how it is about our goverment in canada but I don't know of people saying well your a Liberal so thats why your the way you are.

    So just looking I geuss of what it means to You guys to be Each one. I know the diffinition is but want the heartfelt meaning.

    This is the ask our polticians area right?
    It is complicated within international definitions, as the terms may be about opposite from one nation to another.

    USA, generally speaking, conservative is supportive of less federal government while liberal is supportive of more federal government.

    Conservative=right=capitalism

    Liberal=left=progressive=socialism

    Of course, there are some odd contradictions within each side.
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    There all liars and crooks anyways.

    Happy thought for the day.
    "You boys are really making this thing harder than it has to be". Me

    "I say we just nuke them from space, that is the only way to be sure". Winch from ALIENS, forgot her name.

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    Ok here goes....

    American Liberal values...

    1) Pro-Abortion ( the murder of the most innocent and defenseless of our race based on a womans right to "chose")
    2) Big meddlesome powerful controlling Government
    3) Attack of traditional values and the Family unit
    4) Policies that force dependence on their constituents ( it ensures their parties power )
    5) Out of control government spending
    6) Attack and demonetization of Corporations
    7) Union support and anti-right to work states
    8) pro drug policies( Marijuana legalization )
    9) the attempt to redefine and mitigate personal responsibility and an attack on traditional values that enforce lawful behavior and personal integrity
    10) the manufacturer and perpetuation of class warfare ( anything to divide mass numbers of Americans )
    11) Attack on Christianity ( I would say faith in General but they seem to buddy up to Islam because it's the antithesis of everything American )
    12) Attack on traditional AMERICAN VALUES
    13) Inclusiveness and "Diversity" as long as you agree with them then all bets are off
    14) Naivete and lack of intelligence and low I.Q.
    15) Superficial policies that address societal issues from a purely emotional point of view
    16) High Taxation of EVERYONE
    17) Attack on religious rights and liberties
    18) Attack on Free Speech ( unless it's their own )
    19) A Keynesian approach to economics
    20) Moral Relativism
    21) Dumbing Down of our schools ( Lowering standards )
    22) Racial Quotas ( but you're a racist if you disagree with Institutions using race as a factor in hiring, promotion and getting in to a University )
    23) Their effort in trying to minimize and marginalize the Western "Cannon". Their effort in trying to minimize accomplishments made by Caucasian Males in general )
    24) An attempt to marginalize and demonize the United States
    25) Attack on Capitalism and trending towards Western Europe style Socialism
    26) Trying to redefining and selectively apply History to meet their ideology

    ......anybody else want to add anything ?

    I'm in a hurry so I'll post my Conservative principles later unless someone beats me to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tool-Slinger View Post
    There all liars and crooks anyways.

    Happy thought for the day.
    I agree 100% I just get so fustrated because we go through the same old B\S every election. These guys devert us from the real issues and we'll start to see the same ole same ole soon - Guns, Abortion, God & Gay Marraige. We are supossed to be a free country, free to make our own choices whether they be wise or not. If some one wants to drink a 64oz soda - it's his life. If someone likes guns let him have them. If 2 gays want to marry, I don't care just don't kiss in front of me.... Unless they are 2 hot chicks I guess

    done venting

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    Liberal and Conservative used to be towards the opinion of social policy - liberal leaning more towards letting people do what ever they want, conservative sticking to existing restrictions on a lot of behavior. Unfortnatly, since at the time, these two ideologies also coincided with a lot of opinion on economic and foreign issues, it caused american opinion as a whole to also be divided into these two aspects. Once the party execs were able to get a majority of americans to be classified into one of these two groups, they were able to start using fringe, inconsequential issues to keep people on either side if the fictional isle, allowing them to ensure everyone would vote how their 'side' votes, ensuring that the real problems would never get resolved. I'm sure there are many americans who are, for instance, socially 'liberal', and fiscally 'conservative' - however, because there isn't a 'real party' that fits that standard (libertarians, as far as the media are concerned, don't count) - then people sacrifice one of their beliefs, to vote with the party, instead of the issues.

    That is the greatest victory of the political elite. The ability to make people vote against what they believe on important issues, just so they can vote on what their overlords SAY are the important issues, in a way to keep themselves in power. It's sad. Many once hoped that the rise of the internet would give the people the free information to form their OWN opinions, but unfortunately for the future of the country, the shepherds and the sheep have been able to turn it also into their bigger, and even louder soap box.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vinster View Post
    I agree 100% I just get so fustrated because we go through the same old B\S every election. These guys devert us from the real issues and we'll start to see the same ole same ole soon - Guns, Abortion, God & Gay Marraige. We are supossed to be a free country, free to make our own choices whether they be wise or not. If some one wants to drink a 64oz soda - it's his life. If someone likes guns let him have them. If 2 gays want to marry, I don't care just don't kiss in front of me.... Unless they are 2 hot chicks I guess

    done venting
    Yet 95% of those that say they believe like that will still vote for one of the two figureheads of the same government next month...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vinster View Post
    I agree 100% I just get so fustrated because we go through the same old B\S every election. These guys devert us from the real issues and we'll start to see the same ole same ole soon - Guns, Abortion, God & Gay Marraige. We are supossed to be a free country, free to make our own choices whether they be wise or not. If some one wants to drink a 64oz soda - it's his life. If someone likes guns let him have them. If 2 gays want to marry, I don't care just don't kiss in front of me.... Unless they are 2 hot chicks I guess

    done venting
    That's right none of those are real issues that if solved would get jobs back or help in any way. If gays stay away from my wiener I'm fine, non butch lesbos are a different story, bring em on lol.


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