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    The way I see it is Zimmerman put himself in that situation by getting out of his car to follow Martin Brian

    No need to chase that boy down and continue to scare him and aggravate the situation.... Corny

    While I agree following Martin was a dumb move, I think it is fully within Zimmerman's legal right to do so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tool-Slinger View Post
    The way I see it is Zimmerman put himself in that situation by getting out of his car to follow Martin Brian

    No need to chase that boy down and continue to scare him and aggravate the situation.... Corny

    While I agree following Martin was a dumb move, I think it is fully within Zimmerman's legal right to do so.
    Just because something is legal does not make it reasonable or prudent.

    Reasonable supercedes legal in any court of law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian GC View Post
    Just because something is legal does not make it reasonable or prudent.

    Reasonable supercedes legal in any court of law.
    The main thing here is "Innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt". Now he is not guilty of anything here IMHO except not following your advice. Thank you, thank you very much
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian GC View Post
    Just because something is legal does not make it reasonable or prudent.

    Reasonable supercedes legal in any court of law.

    I agree Zimmerman following Martin was not prudent or reasonable. I figure that was dumb, basically, and yes that dumb move enabled whatever following events to take place.

    However:

    Reasonable supercedes legal in any court of law.

    No. It does not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by glennac View Post
    The main thing here is "Innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt". Now he is not guilty of anything here IMHO except not following your advice. Thank you, thank you very much
    Glenn.... I put up that "Another Gas Station Shooting" thread so we could all agree on something..... you need to go over there and make a post.....

    please

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    I can still remember the fresh clean smell of those little towels

    Guess they save a few bucks doing away with them.....but they were a nice touch back then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by glennac View Post
    The main thing here is "Innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt". Now he is not guilty of anything here IMHO except not following your advice. Thank you, thank you very much
    Not acting reasonably leading up to the loss of life has landed many people behind bars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian GC View Post
    Just because something is legal does not make it reasonable or prudent.

    Reasonable supercedes legal in any court of law.
    since when??? The Rule of Law, beats "reasonable" and common sense everytime
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmac00 View Post
    since when??? The Rule of Law, beats "reasonable" and common sense everytime
    You guys are way off on this one. Reasonability is everything in the courtroom.

    Example: Taking your eyes of the road which leads to the loss of life. Is it legal to take your eyes off the road, yes. But when it leads to a loss of life it is at least liability and or manslaughter.

    Your turn. When has acting recklessly, unreasonably and legally which leads to the loss of life made acceptable in the courtroom?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian GC View Post
    Not acting reasonably leading up to the loss of life has landed many people behind bars.
    How about counting all the scuba divers you took out before leaving the dive site?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian GC View Post
    You guys are way off on this one. Reasonability is everything in the courtroom.

    Example: Taking your eyes of the road which leads to the loss of life. Is it legal to take your eyes off the road, yes. But when it leads to a loss of life it is at least liability and or manslaughter.

    Your turn. When has acting recklessly, unreasonably and legally which leads to the loss of life made acceptable in the courtroom?
    you want to make up my mind. Is it reasonable or Unreasonable??? anytime you act recklessly that involves hurting others you have committed a crime. whether it was "reasonable" or not .

    If you take your eyes off the road (using your example) that comes under reckless driving and/or distracted driving, either way, if it results in harm to others your guilty of a crime. Reasonable or unreasonable has nothing to do with it......next
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmac00 View Post
    you want to make up my mind. Is it reasonable or Unreasonable??? anytime you act recklessly that involves hurting others you have committed a crime. whether it was "reasonable" or not .

    If you take your eyes off the road (using your example) that comes under reckless driving and/or distracted driving, either way, if it results in harm to others your guilty of a crime. Reasonable or unreasonable has nothing to do with it......next
    You just make this stuff up as you go along don't you?

    Next - the scuba scenario. While you are at it maybe you could differentiate between reasonable and reckless? They aren’t the same thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian GC View Post
    You guys are way off on this one. Reasonability is everything in the courtroom.

    Example: Taking your eyes of the road which leads to the loss of life. Is it legal to take your eyes off the road, yes. But when it leads to a loss of life it is at least liability and or manslaughter.

    Your turn. When has acting recklessly, unreasonably and legally which leads to the loss of life made acceptable in the courtroom?
    You can perhaps make a manslaughter charge argument, but Z was charged with murder anyway. I would pin that manslaughter charge on the actual confrontation. Sketchy at best.

    It is not illegal to investigate suspicious activity in your hood. Legal trumps rationale, we see that everyday.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian GC View Post
    You just make this stuff up as you go along don't you?

    Next - the scuba scenario. While you are at it maybe you could differentiate between reasonable and reckless? They aren’t the same thing.
    your confusing Reasonable and Rule of Law.

    The only time reasonable come into it is in: A Reasonable person would.....

    or if the law suite is about property: You should take Reasonable care of .......

    In your "scuba scenario" (im going to assume your talking about a charter) IF a charter boat captain left someone or multiple persons behind the District Attorney would have to decide (1)if a REASONABLE PERSON, such as the Capt acted with Reckless disregard for his passengers.

    Seeing as your left this wide open. There are far to many variables. Such as was there a medical emergency that made the Captain leave someone behind, Was there a weather event happening that forced to captain to leave people behind. Where the people that were left behind the result of an extended search after they failed to report back to the boat and they were assumed dead. Did the Captain ever call the Coast Guard in such an emergency.
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