Agree, however crime is crime and punishment is punishment.
Originally Posted by Brian GC
IMO the issue is: Did the perp do something illegal... If they did... they need to pay the price for their choice. Punishment is a lesson to not make the same choice again... or not to make the choice the first time.
What I would like to see is: Folks doing the 'perp walk' for petty crimes (perp walk is when the news crews put your face on the evening news while the LE types lean you around in handcuffs). Wonder what those hot-shot check-walkers or non-tipplers would say to being paraded around in cuffs on TV??? Think they would like the public SHAME they would suffer in front of their 'bros'... <grin>
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I try to understand how they justify in their mind what they do to the poor waitress. I came up with this:
Originally Posted by glennac
Let the restaurant pay them.
Let the other patrons pay them.
If they cannot force me to pay it, I won’t.
Its payback time on whitey.
We are too cheap to pay.
They just play dumb.
Which is the most common excuse they use?
If I had a restaurant, I would hang a sign out front stating "Obama voters not welcome here"...I do believe this would eliminate those pesky non paying blacks.
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The problem with that is the dine-n-dashers would hold their heads down in shame while the non-tippers would hold their heads up in pride.
Originally Posted by ga-hvac-tech
Then those that dine and dash would just be old people.
Originally Posted by coolwhip
I heard once that many are not only terrible tippers (fixed income I suppose) but sem to think they are entitled, or maybe just poor memory and figure WTH, they can get away with it. I think there's a reason that the AYCE buffet places make you pay up front.
I wish cheapskates woudl just stick ot those types of fine dining establishments. Especially the chinesse one. I think it's been pointed out on this board how clean and sanitary the equipment is at thsoe chinesse restaurants.
I've only not left a tip twice and on both occassions I had waited a colid 30 minutes just for hte bill, with nobdy even going past my table. I finally went up front and demanded the bill, paid that amount only it and left. THe last time was a cheesecake factory. We actually wanted to order dessert... crazy thought... and finally got tired of waiting and go it to go and paid up front. The manager actually at first thought we took off. I was like...oh, os after 30 minutes now you notice that I was here. I was beside myself PO'd. BTW - that was in San Diego. I was shocked, because in the rural midwest we're used ot hit and miss service, but in competitive major cities like that, that are usually very good. Not that night. We won;t be going to a CCF there in a long, long tiem if ever again. Its' overrated, overpriced and too crowded anyway.
Man, thank goodness I don't live in Philly or Detroit or Cincinnati where blacks have this nasty attitude. It's just not as bad down here in Texas, and it wasn't as bad in Seattle, WA either.
Originally Posted by hearthman
Where do they get their attitude? It started with affirmative action in the 1960's. Then the democrats realized they could own the black vote by funneling government money (our money) to the black community. And democrats can't win elections without a lock on the black vote. The main stream news media maintains the status quo by refusing to realize what is really going on in the black community. No negative talk about blacks and no negative criticism of affirmative action is permitted by any media network be it TV, radio or the internet. Whenever there is a conflict between blacks and whites in any city, the federal government sends their goons down, and they almost always take the side of the blacks. Then throw in Rev. JJ and Gorilla AL heaping as much guilt and criticism on the white community via the TV media, and you have a giant scam that whites can't fight back against.
In fact, to talk honestly about this as we are now, would get you thrown off of just about any internet forum. The powers that be have told us we aren't even allowed to discuss this subject. How can that be?
I agree the responsibility should be the restaurant's, but what the restaurant is afriad of is that the black waitress will give her black patrons everything for free and actually be in on the theft.
Originally Posted by Brian GC
Thank's to the OP - that was very good of you. Generosity and kindness like that are returned tenfold.
I think we stray too much on the race angle - cheapness knows no aversion to color or social standing that I have experienced. If I were a proud black man I would take offence to some of the posts. Points can be made without stereotyping.
The restaurant needs more staffing and management to handle the business they are seeing. Walk-offs are a great indication that you aren't doing a good job managing the business, not that you have a lax waitress. I also would be surprised if they could make such a policy stick. If someone held up a bank teller, would they than be responsible to reimburse the bank for the loss?
Excuse my ignorance on tipping. (and slightly off subject)
If a tip is standard, then is shown on the bill (if not how does a company reconcile its accounts)
Who do you tip? When do you tip?
When a normal tip is given, does go to the person or the house (all the workers).
How much is standard.
As it always been this way, or has happened because everybody knows staff are really badly paid.
(just in case i am in the USA, is it the same in Canada)
It is just wrong that an employee is responsible for a runner, an owner takes the profit, so should also take the loss.
Good on you AS for helping.
We just had this in the News in Toronto. It is against the law to make an employee cover the Tab at resturants etc. That is like saying that every gas and go has to be coverd by the employee. A man was killed trying to stop a gas and go cause he couldn't afford to cover it cause he was working two jobs to sopport his family. I know it is diffrent in the USA but you guys do have OBAMA in charge so anything is possible
I always leave pennies on the table when this happens...
Originally Posted by motoguy128
This is a insult and I am not cheap.
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20% is the standard tip in the US. I sometimes give more if everything is exceptional and then less if the service is poor. Waitresses who work hard for their money deserve and expect that IMHO. Thank you, thank you very much
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Just an observation from being a restaurant patron:
The point of contact between the restaurant and the customer is the waitress. How is a hostess or bartender or manager supposed to know that the people walking out the door have not paid???? Would you go back to a restaurant that wants to see your receipt when you walk out the door? I wouldn't
Great for you to tip that waitress!!!! I know I hate it when people stiff me. Although, I learned from my mistakes and it hasn't happened in 20 years.
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