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[tedkidd]

I'm absolutely for controls.

But assuming the energy savings from controls is because the building is a little colder rather than recognizing people used to open window when the building was out of control is not connecting the savings with the cause.

Make People Comfortable and stupid human tricks stop. Stop stupid human tricks, and you'll save MUCH more than you can from a degree or two at the stat.

And an additional often unrecognized benefit (and therefore not factored in analysis) is people's productivity goes way up.

Check out that link, Bean paints the whole picture. The guy is brilliant!

[ControlsInMT]

I'm absolutely for controls.

But assuming the energy savings from controls is because the building is a little colder rather than recognizing people used to open window when the building was out of control is not connecting the savings with the cause.

Make People Comfortable and stupid human tricks stop. Stop stupid human tricks, and you'll save MUCH more than you can from a degree or two at the stat.

And an additional often unrecognized benefit (and therefore not factored in analysis) is people's productivity goes way up.

Check out that link, Bean paints the whole picture. The guy is brilliant!

As my boss would say, "that's a hardware fix to a management issue". We don't have any authority or control over occupants. Once they are held finacially accountable for the damage caused, they begin to have a new outlook. As I said before, this is in the areas where there are no problems. I actually heard one teacher tell me she wanted her class 75 degrees because it makes the students sleepy. So is that comfort?

[tedkidd]

As my boss would say, "that's a hardware fix to a management issue". We don't have any authority or control over occupants. Once they are held finacially accountable for the damage caused, they begin to have a new outlook. As I said before, this is in the areas where there are no problems. I actually heard one teacher tell me she wanted her class 75 degrees because it makes the students sleepy.

So is that comfort?

Nice! No doubt there are lots of sides to it. And I agree, accountability for damage should occur!

This is comfort: http://bit.ly/comfortcalculator

[DLZ Dan]

Maybe the control smelled really bad...

[socotech]

Nice! No doubt there are lots of sides to it. And I agree, accountability for damage should occur!

This is comfort: http://bit.ly/comfortcalculator

This is a full coverage contract, but the teachers are paying for the new thermostats. Yes I agree. You break it.....you buy it.

[chesehd]

The district I was referring to earlier had a heating setpoint of 70*F and a cooling setpoint of 74*F.

If vandalism aS the reason behind the room sensor failure the teacher was charged. Those Siemens 540-680 sensors were far from cheap as I recall.

[tedkidd]

Check THIS out!

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/n...mber_195980768

Excerpt from LinkedIn:

If you focus on how to deliver comfort, energy falls into place.

"Building focused design is not occupant focused design -

Some words of wisdom to design by:

We can not forget - energy efficiency in buildings is for the benefit of conditioning the occupants. Dr. B.W. Olesen

An energy declaration without a declaration related to the indoor environment makes no sense. Dr. F. Nicol"

Robert Bean's depth of perspective makes my head cramp and eyes bleed.

[socotech]

Here is another

[tedkidd]

lol. warm climate?

subtle...

[ryan1088]

Here is another

"Why am I always cold? You guys can't figure it out!!!"